Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cities and towns in Malaysia with large Malaysian Chinese populations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 22:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

List of cities and towns in Malaysia with large Malaysian Chinese populations

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Not informative and vague. What is "large"? What is the cut-off? Raw data doesn't say anything: Malaysian Chinese are the majority in Perai, with 36,4% of the population; in Batu Pahat Malaysian Chinese are a "significant minority" with 44,7% - what makes up the rest of those places? Merging some statistics to Malaysian Chinese is the best option. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep per our editing policy. The topic is notable as it is covered in detail in sources such as Unsettling Absences: Urbanism in Rural Malaysia and The Management of Secondary Cities in Southeast Asia.  Note also that merger precludes deletion per WP:MAD. Andrew D. (talk) 12:25, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm not saying that Malaysian Chinese is not notable, I'm saying that List of cities and towns in Malaysia with large Malaysian Chinese populations is not a sensible, comprehensive list. Like I said, what is a "large" population? Since you've brought up WP:PRESERVE, how would you fix it? And concerning WP:MAD, WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears that Soetermans wants the page improved and/or merged. My point is that these things are not done by deletion.  AFD is not cleanup.  Improvements to the page should be discussed on its talk page.  Andrew D. (talk) 12:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm saying there isn't anything to improve, because it has an ill-defined subject: "List of cities and towns in Malaysia with large Malaysian Chinese populations", which is incoherent and vague. For a third time, what makes something a "large population"? Do you have an answer? Because if we humble Wikipedians would decide what's "large", that would be WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH or at least WP:SYNTH. Let's remove the word "large"; should we list all places in Malaysia with any percentage of Malaysian Chinese? That there are places with large populations of Malaysian Chinese can easily be listed in a table at Malaysian Chinese. And as far as I know from my Wikipedia experience, suggesting a merge as an option is fine in an AfD. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 12:46, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You could have an arbitrary cut-off, say with a definition of a majority minority population (see Majority minority), or you could do a standard 10% or greater with a minimum number of 1,000 people. Or you could work from the top, with the top 50 cities with large Chinese populations (arranged either by proportion of population or by number). Agreed that as it stands it's a little vague. Stui (talk) 16:10, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 05:40, 14 February 2018 Not not(UTC)
 * Keep. The majority cities are clearly sensible and comprehensive (though population cutoff may be an issue). The large minority cities less so. I'm not sure this is a deletion candidate, but I don't see anything wrong with a Merge either. SportingFlyer (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete populations migrate, a list such as this either has to cover the topic in a broad historical framework, and be unreasonably long, or be overly presentist for no good reason.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * delete. Not a suitable topic for an article. First why single out this demographic, second why these towns – what is "large"? Tried looking at the reference but that is no longer online, and is only available from the wayback machine so unreadable and badly out of date. Might do as a table in e.g. Malaysian Chinese, properly sourced, but no way needs its own article.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 22:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as this is a vague representation of population data with an arbitrary selection criteria. It is not useful for the encyclopaedia. An equivalent example would be [List of cities in India with large Bengali population]. But there are many such permutations possible if we replace Bengali by any other ethnicity. How do we select which ethnicity to use? It is enough to keep demographic data of each city/town in its article.--DreamLinker (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


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