Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cities by temperature in South America


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is a clear consensus to keep the material in some form. There is also clear consensus, at least amongst those that commented on it at all, that duplicating the data across articles is bad. However, there was no consensus as to whether this should be dealt with by converting the parent article into a list of lists, or converting the daughter articles into redirects, or some other refactoring. Only that some editorial action should be taken. SpinningSpark 13:14, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've just realised that the daughter articles are a clear violation of WP:CWW. If the pages are not redirected by someone, this will need to be corrected. SpinningSpark 13:25, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

List of cities by temperature in South America

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Pretty much the definition of an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. The same applies to all articles in Category:Lists of cities by temperature. As far as I can tell there's no real selection criteria for what cities are included and which are excluded within the geographic area. Other than that, these just duplicate the climate information already available in the individual articles in a pile of unexplained weather statistics. G M G talk   18:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding. Apparently these were all spun off from a main article so may as well:


 * List of cities by temperature
 * List of cities by temperature in Africa
 * List of cities by temperature in Asia
 * List of cities by temperature in Oceania
 * List of cities by temperature in Europe
 * List of cities by temperature in North America


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South America-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 18:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTSTATS WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. Also feel free to bundle every other list article in that category into this AfD as well. Ajf773 (talk) 19:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and NOTSTATS. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all as blatant WP:NOTSTATS violations. The statement in the main article about actual temperatures is unsourced, OR, and possibly inaccurate. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 23:32, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Despite assertions above, it is not "indiscriminate" and does not violate NOTSTATS.  The main one, which i am looking at, has nice sortable tables.  This is the kind of very accessible, child-friendly traditional-type (but bigger and better) encyclopedia article.  NOTSTATS states that "Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context. "  Here, the statistics are in tables, are very readable, and I don't see what needs to be explained.  To the negative voters, are you confused by something that you don't understand?  --Doncram (talk) 23:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep List of cities by temperature. Yes, it could do with some trimming so that it became a List of capitals by temperature to sit alongside other Lists of capitals articles, but as per Doncram, this is what you expect to find in an encyclopedia or atlas...Jokulhlaup (talk) 11:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep It should be possible to formulate more precise criteria, e.g. population size above 1 million or only capitals. Climate data is a reasonable encyclopedic subject, generally unproblematic in most Wikipedia articles, and I'm not sure why this seems to attract such a vituperative reaction. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Umm... Well at least the smaller articles are very near WP:A10, depending on whether you feel List of cities by temperature in CONTINENT is a valid redirect (and not an implausible misnomer)... to... an article by the exact same title only simpler, and therefore easier to search for in every possible way.  G M G  talk   12:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - interesting sheets. I do not see a reason to delete. Subtropical -man  (talk / en-2 ) 00:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * i.e. WP:ILIKEIT. Ajf773 (talk) 08:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - It needs a clearer inclusion criteria, but that's easy: just use the lists of largest cities we already have and/or a list of capital cities and/or the largest city in each country and/or any of a number of other easily articulated criteria. It's weird that the primary policy people are citing is WP:NOTSTATS. Yes, it is statistics, but NOTSTATS does not say "no statistics are allowed on Wikipedia". To the contrary, it just says they shouldn't be unexplained. They could use a real lead, but do you have difficulty understanding the statistics, which are nicely formatted in our handy template? NOTSTATS applies to this as much as it does any of our lists of cities by population, by geographic area, by elevation, lists of countries by ... you get the idea. It's a notable topic -- there are many sources listing countries by climate, internationally, nationally, and subnationally (I don't think this has been challenged, but if someone actually does a search for sources on which to base a notability reason for deletion, I'll link to some). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 22:01, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Umm... Rhododendrites, you do realize that most of these are just sections split off from a main list right? I mean, I disagree, but I can see how someone could argue for inclusion of the main list... but I'm not totally sure why we should have the content duplicated twice at the very least.  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  00:11, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I knew I forgot something. Yes, certainly the forking is no good. Whether we keep the master list or the continent-based lists depends on the inclusion criteria set. Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, I would suggest converting list of cities by temperature into lists of cities by temperature. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 04:55, 24 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep there do need to be some inclusion criteria established on a talk page. However, this is content I would expect to find in an almanac, so the various NOT arguments are not terribly convincing. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 03:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would prefer List of cities in South America by temperature as the name if kept, though unless this is re-listed we won't sort that out here. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:58, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


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