Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of civil parishes of County Clare


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

List of civil parishes of County Clare

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Highly in accurate list of civil parishes, mainly pointing to places instead of parishes The Banner talk 23:27, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I've found this which explicitly states Map of civil parishes of County Clare and all 81 are listed there and mapped out. I was reverted with this..♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:21, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep No examples are given of the supposed inaccuracy. If we check the first entry, Abbey, then this seems quite accurate per this gazetteer, "ABBEY, a parish in co. Clare, Ireland. ...".  This entry confirms the soundness of the list and any errors are just a matter of ordinary editing per policy. Andrew (talk) 00:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Try Bunratty, Carran, Feakle, Killadysert... all pointing to villages. And your source for Abbey is pointing at a religious parish, not a civil parish. See also Civil parishes in Ireland. The Banner talk 00:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is a matter for cleanup, not deletion. No valid reason has been offered for the latter. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Legitimate list article. Just  needs a clean up -  something  which  WP:BEFORE  could have addressed.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:31, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep As per Clarityfiend and Kudpung.It is a Legitimate list article needs cleanup and not deletion.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to comment on the deletion and action by Banner out of respect for him, but I will say that the County Clare source proves this isn't completely inaccurate. Religious parishes are covered in Diocese articles aren't rather than actual parishes? Perhaps Banner you could provide proof that these are not civil parishes? Your concerns primarily appear to be about including civil parish and village of the same name in one article. Civil parishes and their main settlements centres are typically covered in one article for the British Isles. Village and civil parish in one is quite acceptable, especially as the quality is poor and its easier to improve that way. That doesn't make it an error calling a settlement which is also a civil parish as such and categorizing as such. My intention was to focus on improving each of the existing parish/village articles for County Clare and constructively work towards building new articles like Kilmoon. Most of the articles need a lot of work so I thought this was a constructive step to rooting out what needs to be covered and start working towards them. I thought it odd that we have lists of townlands but not parishes which are a lot more notable, and it might be best to redirect some of the townlands to the parishes.♦  Dr. Blofeld  10:16, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A lot of those links are pointing to places, not to the religious parishes. While working for the parish Kilmurry Ibrickane (a short period in 2012), the parish priest denied that the parish was also a civil parish. The parish office is de facto part of the Civil Registration Service, but that does not make the parish a civil parish. That is original research, I know it but I think he knows where he was talking about... The Banner talk 11:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There is often confusion I think between religious and civil parishes. For me a modern government-recognized civil parish in Britain and Ireland is similar to a municipality in other countries with actual administrative function. It's certainly interesting though what you say about the parish priest, I believe you. I suspect the actual definition is blurred though and a lot of people find it confusing. All I know is that 81 civil parishes are formally recognized as the subdivisions of County Clare and I think that's enough to go on. It would be good to have 81 articles which are a decent start class level don't you think? A lot of the parishes actually have a village or town of the same name, and I think its reasonable to include village and parish as one article.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the civil parishes were identical to the former Church of Ireland parishes, not the Roman Catholic parishes. The decline of the Church of Ireland is most likely the reason why the civil parishes fell into disuse. By now, the whole of West-Clare is just one parish (Drumcliffe). But true, they are never formally abandoned. To make the articles correct, you have to figure out the extent of the protestant parishes in county Clare and write articles about them. The Banner talk 12:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Certainly confusing! Probably best to create separate civil parish templates to navigate them, any objections to moving the baronies from the places template into new templates for baronies and parishes?. The idea though was to cover areas of the county which are rural and at present poorly covered. I don't think many of the townlands are really that notable for their own articles so finding what you can and mentioning it in the parish articles I think is at least a start. Although of course if we could have 61,097 decent articles on every township I wouldn't object!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * These two pages can help you with that: Parish of Drumcliffe (Ennis-based, in effect West-Clare) and Parish of Killaloe (Killaloe-based, in effect East-Clare and a bit more). To add to the confusing: The first page is referring to "Kilfarboy". This used to be a RC-parish, linked to the church (still there) and monastery (presumed) in the townland Kilfarboy just north of Milltown Malbay. Later the parish and assets were seized and moved to the Church of Ireland. Nowadays, the RC-parish around Milltown Malbay, Moy and Spanish Point is named: Kilfarboy. The Banner talk 13:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that it's confusing is the reason why they're still missing! I think this definitely requires discussion to find the best way to cover it. If the civil parishes are still defined as formal subdivisions then it's worth doing, but if there are historical religious parishes overlapping then in terms of researching I think it'll be tricky. It does seem to me though that the civil parishes seem the same or at least similar. I just don't want to begin working on something and find it's outdated or false or whatever...♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be much safer to concentrate on the religious parishes (catholic and protestant) first. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 13:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep It's an accurate list and perfectly valid. The red links will of course require attention.--Ipigott (talk) 10:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Clarityfiend. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The official state website Logainm.ie lists all baronies and civil parishes in each county. The civil parish is precisely demarcated by a set of townlands - no more and no less. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - the concept is encyclopaedic and sources are available. Any considered inaccuracies should be discussed and resolved on the talk page. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete- Everyone wants to keep, that seems clear, yet out of 80 places 4 are articles about parishes. So that would mean creating 76 articles to make this list valid. The fact that it is kind of not used offically nowadays, never abolished but not used in common, everyday usage either civily or legally, this would make it a redundant task. I can see no reason as to the worthiness of such a list. An article saying something- yes alist of none existant articles- no. Murry1975 (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
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