Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of clichéd classical pieces


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The result was delete. Sr13 05:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

List of clichéd classical pieces

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Completely fails no original research. No references or sources. The concept of the list is inherently POV and unlikely ever to be neutral (it could equally be called "extremely popular or frequently played pieces of classical music"). Many other such cliché lists have been deleted.--Folantin 08:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with Folantin. 143.210.182.197 13:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete The criteria for inclusion are ill-defined. If you tried to rename it "List of classical pieces which have become standard cell phone ringtones" (which is pretty much the same thing), you'd see why this list is a Bad Thing. Shalom Hello 13:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, regretfully. I like it, and it's interesting, but these are not inclusions for criteria.  I see what the author(s) are trying to accomplish, but unfortunately this lacks rigorous inclusion criteria or sourcing.  ɑʀкʏɑɴ 15:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think Folantin said it just right.  Opus33 16:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Wryspy 16:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Eusebeus 17:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong keep I have seen magazine \articles about an eternal "Top 40" of classical music that exists, with Beethoven's 5th, William Tell Overture, Carmen overture, Flight of the Valkyries, Flight of the Bumblebee, Peter and the Wolf, etc.  Cliche' is the wrong term for this, but I'm pretty sure that there is are sources for the Top 40 phenomenon, and probably Wikipedia articles that reference it.  If there aren't any similar articles, work on this and source it.  However, I think it's probably been done.  To make it even better, see if you can link to a .wav file.  Mandsford 01:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Hello, Mandsford.  Please be assured that there is no such thing as the "eternal top 40" of classical music!  I tried doing a bit of research along the lines you suggested (download counts, compilation CD's), and there is no consensus at all.  We should delete this article because whatever it contains would be POV.  Our readers deserve information, not top-of-the-head opinion.  Opus33 16:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)\
 * Hello, Opus. Truth be told, I only saw something like that once, and it was an article in Saturday Review or something like that, and way back in 1982.  I guess you're right, although I think that the average person is probably acquainted with only a few classical pieces (and only parts of those) and doesn't know what they're called.  More people say "Hey, The Lone Ranger!" than they do "William Tell!"02:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - irretriviably POV, I'm afraid. Moreschi Talk 20:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and all but one of the above. Bearian 23:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


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