Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of clubs winner the national league 30 times and more


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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 08:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

List of clubs winner the national league 30 times and more

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Contested PROD. Initial rationale was Fails WP:LISTN and does not meet any relevant inclusion criteria; there is no evidence to suggest that winning the national domestic league 30 times is any more significant than winning it any other amount of times.

Contested by article creator ''Welcome, Dear Admins , im created this article To clarify the list of clubs that are most winning in the local leagues around the world, and i have set a barrier of 30 titles to show the value of some of the major clubs. I ask from your administration to allow me continued writing on this page, and I can editing or changing the name of this article (about number of titles) and make it open without limits to be more logic.''

In my view, this is comparing apples and oranges by treating all domestic leagues as equivalents. Also, there is a distinct lack of sources comparing the clubs in this way and I can't find any sources that use 30 as the benchmark either. It seems quite arbitrary and not suitable for a general encyclopaedia. It might be more appropriate on a football stats/trivia website. Spiderone 22:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  22:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete Reminds me of Articles for deletion/List of most successful European football clubs by major European and domestic honours won.. As I noted there "comparing the number of domestic wins between different countries doesn't seem useful" Clearly OR. Arbitrary cutoff at 30. Nigej (talk) 08:11, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I do not disagree with you in your point of view, but also in Wikipedia, our Used to delve into the information and clarify more details. For example, in the pages of some British clubs such as Rangers of Scotland and Linfield from Northern Ireland, I found an information indication that these clubs are the most winning local leagues in the world, so I was inspired by the idea of ​​collecting the most winning clubs in the world and including them on a special page after the encyclopedia allows me regardless of the importance of the leagues I just wanted to give importance to the clubs that won a large number of titles without entering into other comparisons. I also do not have the ability to write in another important site such as Wikipedia to express details and information in this way. Therefore, I repeat my request regarding approval of this address.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas88mohammed (talk • contribs) 09:38, 16 January 2021 (UTC)  Moving this from the article talk page.  Spiderone  16:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - please post any comments relating to the notability of this topic on this page so everyone can see it. Spiderone  16:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In response to your comment, I understand your motives behind creating the topic; it seems like you feel that the topic is underrepresented in the media and it's obviously of personal interest to you. In this case, I feel that the lack of coverage that this topic receives in reliable sources is actually a reason not to have the article. I'm sorry to be 'that guy' but I feel that this violates WP:NOT, in particular WP:FORUM; Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought and topics created should be reflected in coverage from the experts (i.e. reliable sources). Spiderone  16:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete - what a bizarre topic and article title. No evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 22:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - as mentioned above, OR and arbitrary cut-off. Also not comparing like with like - while England has had a national league since 1888, Germany has only had one since 1963, so German clubs have not had anywhere near the same opportunity to rack up 30 league titles.  And Wales has only had a national league since 1992, so even if the same club had won the league every single year of the league's existence it still wouldn't have reached 30 wins........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As per all above. Sliekid (talk) 09:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename The list itself is interesting and useful (especially because the last one was deleted for no reason) and there are anough sources to compile it. But the title is too arbitrary and it should be improved. Ludost Mlačani (talk) 11:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The previous list was deleted due to a complete lack of evidence that there are independent sources reporting significantly on this topic. This list has similar issues and it being interesting and useful is, unfortunately, a matter of personal opinion and not based on any Wikipedia inclusion guideline, in my view. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


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