Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of coastal islands of the Californias


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

List of coastal islands of the Californias

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Page is a WP:REDUNDANT WP:DUPLICATE of List of islands of California and List of islands of Mexico and is not necessary. Merely sharing a name such as in the original list title "Coastal islands of Alta and Baja California" does not warrant the duplicative listings. Reywas92Talk 19:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 19:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 19:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 19:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 20:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Those other lists are based on political boundaries which are comparatively recent (1848). A regional geographical basis seems better for most purposes -- ecology, geology, navigation, history, &c. For a similar article on the other side of North America, see List of Caribbean islands, which are ruled by many states. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:02, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have a wide swath of articles based on political boundaries: Category:Lists of islands by country; unclear why "recent" has anything to with this. Not only are those in the Caribbean naturally listed together in a sea among many more entities, there are not separate list articles for most of those countries, so it's not a duplicate – if the California and Mexico lists didn't exist separately, then no, I wouldn't be nominating this, so you're simply making a strawman argument! This does not justify duplication nor does (or should) the list even discuss such ecology and geology. Reywas92Talk 20:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It is quite common for our lists and other navigational structures to overlap or present the same information in different ways or sequences. The general guidance of WP:CLN is that such parallel structures are fine because they complement each other, enable cross-checking and provide the reader with choice. There is no one true way. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That says the parallel structures of categories, lists, and navigation templates complement each other, which still does not explain why the content in List of islands of California and List of islands of Mexico should be duplicated in bulk. At best this should be a disambiguation page. Reywas92Talk 21:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep this is comprehensive and focussed list of coastal islands of California serves the purposes outlined in WP:LISTN Lightburst (talk) 20:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * List of islands of California and List of islands of Mexico are more comprehensive and more focused lists that better serve the purposes outlined in WP:LISTN, which does not justify such duplication. Reywas92Talk 20:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. The list intro does not (but should) make this clear, but we do have The Californias covering the region as a whole, so that's the logical parent for this list. postdlf (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's fixed now, so it's no longer starting with the useless "this is a list..." (see WP:REDUNDANCY). postdlf (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. See Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 17 for a recent related discussion. Narky Blert (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * delete I am not seeing the purpose of this list other than making WP bigger. I just don't see the juxtaposition of California and a somewhat arbitrary subset of Mexican islands as meaningful. Why specifically c"coastal"? What about the islands in the Gulf of California, or those further off-shore? I also have to suspect there's an element of anachronism here, in that the Spanish were likely not aware of all these places; indeed, the top illo of Baja California as an island itself would suggest that. Mangoe (talk) 21:48, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I totally agree the reasons given by Mangoe as to why. It seems to be a semi-indiscriminate list and figuring out what exactly is worth including would probably be impossible because it's to broad. Also, the islands are already covered in more specific lists that don't have this ones problems. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:15, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom, it’s a duplicate. --Devokewater @  20:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 03:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep until this list has been brought up to the standards of the other two. It encompasses a natural grouping. It might then be worth considering whether the other two lists could become redirects. Thincat (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why in the world would List of islands of California and List of islands of Mexico be redirects??? Redirect to what and why? Those are the most natural groupings and contain more than just the coastal islands this article duplicates, as this does regardless of what it's "brought up to". Reywas92Talk 04:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP put any islands considered north of Baja California that belong to USA into the List of islands of California. What remains should be islands that fall under Mexico jurisdiction. Call it the List of islands of Baja, California .Goldenrowley (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh ... Never mind my ideas to split it up. I can see the value in this list, just as it is after I read it again.Goldenrowley (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nom, this list is a duplicate of the other two. Cxbrx (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to California or any other as page seems to contain valuable info.MissiYasında&#38;&#38; (talk) 19:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


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