Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of compositions for harp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep; problems can be solved, seems a useful article. Luna Santin 03:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

List of compositions for harp
Contains the names of two of the people who were part of User:Musikfabrik, as well as at least one of the people that company publishes. List is untrustworthy. Adam Cuerden talk 13:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, Clean, Rename As much as I agree that this user has teken too many steps toward appearing harmful to Wikipedia, I don't see this list any different than List of important operas or whatever else. Does it need cleanup? Most definetly; and as it's be impossible to list every existing composition for harp (this isn't an octocontrabass clarinet), maybe 'Notible works for harp' or something similar would be better. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 13:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, an article of similar content deserves to exist, but unless someone wants to adopt it and reference it, it'd be hard to get it NPOV, and I'm not certain how much content would be keepable. Adam Cuerden talk 13:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete It should go for the reasons Adam Cuerden mentions, unless there is a systematic overhaul of the whole article. I have concerns that this list may be being exploited for promotional purposes. A way should be found of avoiding this. If not, it should go. Therefore I'd say keep and give till the end of 2006 to fix POV problems --Folantin 13:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Neither the Sonata for Harp and Concertino for Harp by Germaine Tailleferre are published by Musik Fabrik. The Sonata for Harp was a commission by Nicanor Zabaleta, is the most widely performed and recorded Harp Sonata according the SACEM and widely used as  an imposed work at major Harp competitions.  It is published by Peer Music.  The Concertino is published by Heugel-Leduc, was premièred by the  Boston Symphony under Serge Koussevitsky and has been widely recorded.  All of the works on this list may be verified here:, including biographies of all of the composers.  This is clearly becoming a "witch hunt".  Jean-Thierry Boisseau 13:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The link is a very long list, compared to the very short one on that page. It proves they composed for harp, not that they are particularly notable. Adam Cuerden talk 15:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: As a minimal step, have deleted all known Musikfabrik composers from it - it may well be this results in unfortunate losses. Adam Cuerden talk 20:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: The source listed, the Association Internationale des Amis de la Harpe was founded by Pierre Jamet, for whom Debussy wrote his famous Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp. All of the main teachers of the instrument throughout the World are members of this association or of it's chapters.  The list given on their site in not inclusive, but selective.  All of the composers listed here are not only listed, but have a biographical page.  I assure you that if this organisation lists it, it's a reputable source.  This list is short because it needs inclusions, not deletions. Jean-Thierry Boisseau 23:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I doubt me the list has even 1% of the names listed there. Unless you intend to add every name on that site, it's not really a valid reason for selection to say that it's on there. Adam Cuerden talk 23:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Dammit, Boisseau. I'm trying to believe in your good faith, then I learn that whilst you may not publish some of poor Talleferre's compositions, you still include every single one listed in your catalogue. Can you please not try to imply things that aren't true? Adam Cuerden talk 01:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm not sure this can be saved. There are very serious problems. Why non-exhaustive? Who decides notable? Why is a particular piece notable? Can you offer any evidence that X piece is played less than Y piece? These give me very serious doubts as to whether the page can be saved, even before we get onto the whole POV issues surrounding the Musikfabrik role account business. Moreschi 15:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment. Are the current versions of Flute repertory, List of solo cello pieces, List of compositions for cello and piano, List of compositions for horn, List of compositions for piano and orchestra, etc., unwelcome on Wikipedia as well?  None of these lists could possibly be exhaustive and they do not articulate the criteria for the inclusion of entries either. --Defrosted 22:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Reply: Let's see how the vote on this one goes. It may well be that all or some are salvagable, if some sources can be found, or even be decided to be fine as is. Adam Cuerden talk 23:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep; extremely useful list, as would be any list of compositions for a specific instrument. Needs expansion and notability-checking, but it's certainly keepable.  Antandrus  (talk) 03:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.