Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of corporate bailouts by the United States government


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect. As suggested below, a redirect, with the content remaining in the history, is indeed the best course of action at this time. The real concern here is WP:NPOV, and it's a major concern--there has to be some way to organize the list that puts the determination of what constitutes a bailout in someone else's voice rather than the encyclopedia's. If that can be done, it can be restarted either here or as a section at Bailout (finance). Chick Bowen 01:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

List of corporate bailouts by the United States government

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The word "bailout" is a media term with no hard-and-fast definition. One source might call it a bailout while another calls it a "bridge loan" or something else. Therefore, the article is doomed to be plagued with original research as those who edit it will have to decide for themselves which cases were "bailouts" and which were not, and as we all know, we cannot base content on our own observations. Beeblebrox (talk) 09:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  17:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  17:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Bailout (finance). "Bailout" is a proper term when a government becomes directly involved in preventing a private corporation from failure, whether it is loaning funds, or forebearing from collecting them.  I agree that there is no excuse for not sourcing an article of this nature; I suspect that the writer was unsure where the subject was already addressed, and might have been testing the waters. Mandsford (talk) 13:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Hopelessly vague. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 14:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I agree that renaming from bailout to some other term may be an option. Nevertheless, these are all events that have some signifigance, especially given those within the past few weeks. There have been at least several others in previous years I am familiar with, and I am still attempting to identify the articles they are contained within. The articles themselves have the sources, so they are not needed here. This list is acceptable per WP:L, and is culturally signifigant. Hellno2 (talk) 16:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * comment Right now, Detroit's automakers are asking for government loans and even larger tax breaks to help them develop energy efficient cars. I think that is a bailout. The car companies say it's a loan not a bailout. How do we draw the line? Beeblebrox (talk) 16:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Mandsford. Bailout is the proper term, and it is discriminate and clear enough such that a list could be formed, but this list isn't on its way to that.  Better that it be build up in Bailout and then spun away due to size (and it will, as there have been lots of bailouts) than for it to be a collection of what are effectively bailouts in the last 18 months. Protonk (talk) 18:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Idea What if we turned it into a category, as any notable company that's been "bailed out" will doubtless have it's own article. If there were a source for each one that explicitly used the term "bailout" of course. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought about the possibility of a category too. Fact is, some of these cases have articles describing the bailouts themselves. Others are described in a section of the article on the company. Either way, the topic has come into the spotlight thanks to a few recent bailouts. Also, notice the construction tag. This is because I am still trying to identify others. I can remember quite a lot of them over the years. As you mentioned with the automakers, the most memorable one in my lifetime was Chrysler. I followed it in the news when it happened. Hellno2 (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand given the news of the last few days. DGG (talk) 00:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


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