Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cosmic entities in DC Comics (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

List of cosmic entities in DC Comics
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The associated article, Cosmic entity (DC Comics), will almost certainly be deleted at its AfD, and this list has exactly the same problems as the main article — namely, it is pure WP:OR without any references, has unclear inclusion criteria, and fails WP:LISTN — except that unlike the embedded list at the main article, it includes additional characters who are not significant enough for inclusion in the more general lists of DC Comics characters. I'm not sure that the definition stated in the lead is the same as in the other list, and I can once again make the examples of Bat-Mite and Starro I gave in the other AfD. At the talk page, there's a discussion with similar concerns from 2005–2006 that I wish to embed here.

During the last AfD in 2020, users argued for trimming the non-notable entries, despite that the trimmed article would be exactly the same as the embedded list at the main article. The contents haven't changed one bit since then. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Lists. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 23:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per the same arguments for deletion already described at Articles for deletion/Cosmic entity (DC Comics). Briefly, no real reliable sources validating the actual information on the concept, loads of WP:OR, and fails WP:LISTN. Most of the characters listed on here are extremely non-notable and do not even have independent articles, on top of all that. The best sources that could found in the last AFD were a small handful of "Top Ten" style lists that could hardly be considered reliable, in-depth coverage. At the time several editors, including myself, argued for redirecting to the aforementioned Cosmic entity (DC Comics), but the recent AFD for that article has demonstrated its own inadequacies, so that is no longer a viable option. Rorshacma (talk) 00:00, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Enough blue links to be a valid navigational list. I have the thing that shows which links are for their own articles and which ones are just redirects, there plenty of valid articles for these notable characters. Category:DC Comics cosmic entities also shows how many there are.   D r e a m Focus  00:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - And have you actually bothered checking to see how many of these valid blue links are actually to articles on the actual topic? Because many of them are not - they link to the articles on the actual figure of mythology/folklore/etc. that share the same name. These would not show up on your thing that shows which links are just redirects or not, because they are not redirects, they are simply links to articles that are not on the character from DC comics.  Just from the first two letters, Abaddon, Adrammelech, Raguel (angel), Artemis, Astaroth, Belial, and Belk fall into that.  That last one is especially hilarious, because it links to an article for a department store chain - but hey, its not a redirect so based on your thing, its a valid entry for this list of DC characters!  Not to mention, simply stating that it functions as a navigational list completely ignores all of the actual reasons for deletion, including basic verifiability of the topic, described in the nomination. Rorshacma (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * AFD is not cleanup. Any problem that can be solved through normal editing can be.  Verifiability about a fictional topic, can be done by looking at its article or Category:DC Comics cosmic entities.  List articles and categories have the same basic requirements to include things.   D r e a m Focus  01:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You are completely ignoring the fact brought up both here and the related AFD that the very concept of what a "Cosmic entity" is in DC comics is completely undefined in reliable, secondary sources, and within the actual comics themselves. Verifiability cannot be done by looking at its article or the category, because the very basis of what the topic is, is completely WP:OR. Rorshacma (talk) 01:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The introduction reads In comic books published by DC Comics, a cosmic entity (also referred to as a cosmic being) is a fictional character possessing superpowers on a universal, multiversal or even omniversal level, powers far beyond those of humans or conventional superheroes, and usually serving some natural function in the fictional universe in which the entity exists. Seems clear enough to me. Do you have a better name for them?  I found some reliable sources call them "cosmic beings" and added a reference to ten things in the article now.  Someone with an official book published by DC comics can see what they officially call them.   D r e a m Focus  02:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You are never going to convince anyone voting delete this is notable just like you will never be convinced it isn’t notable. What you are doing is WP:BLUDGEONING with stock arguments and non-arguments. Dronebogus (talk) 03:50, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration.  D r e a m Focus  02:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fancruft. Not “navigational” at all. Categories exist. DC wiki on Fandom exists. Dream Focus, stop trying to canvass to “rescue” blatant junk at WP:ARS. I’ve been as tolerant as I can but this instance borders on disruptive since the article is not realistically improvable. Dronebogus (talk) 03:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you read what I wrote or look at what I did to the article? I fixed some problems mentioned and found a reliable source mentioning ten of the entries.  The article can be saved.   D r e a m Focus  04:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks sources supporting that WP:NLIST is met, category serves the navigational purpose. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. What I said there applies here as well. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 23:20, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:LISTN due to a lack of reliable third-party sources, and otherwise totally WP:OR. Jontesta (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Cosmic entity (DC Comics) was deleted at its AfD. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the related AFD from LaundryPizza03. Lacks sources to meet WP:NLIST or WP:GNG. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with Dronebogus and LaundryPizza03; this is just fan/list cruft and doesn't really contribute anything of note that isn't already covered adequately elsewhere. I'm on board with this potentially going to Rescue, but especially given the other AFD that LaundryPizza linked above, I'm skeptical that it would do much good. Sleddog116 (talk) 18:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


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