Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries and organizations that list the PKK as a terrorist group


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The result was keep &mdash;αlεx•mullεr 12:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

List of countries and organizations that list the PKK as a terrorist group

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Such a controversial issue should be referenced. This probably has links only for USA and Turkey. TheFE ARgod (Ч) 16:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC) If properly cited, however, article could better be merged into something, PKK for example.-- TheFE ARgod  (Ч) 17:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC) Comment. I'm not going to vote on this either way, but I'd just like to point out that the EU listing the PKK as a terrorist group is not the same as the individual nation states listing it as a terrorist group - they are, after all, separate entities. To be honest, I think this would be better off as being added to the PKK article in prose form rather than as a list. Supersheep (talk) 09:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - being uncited is not a reason for deletion. Read this. This says that the EU has classified it as a terror group, and therefore 27 of those countries can be cited now, if you wish to do that. I would recommend looking for sources before putting an article before AfD (that page took me a few seconds to find). Best regards, EJF (talk) 16:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. This is an important and easily verifiable list that would be of great interest to anyone wanting to learn about the PKK, terrorism, or popular conceptions of what constitues a "terrorist organization." A list this long can't be merged into PKK without destroying the flow of that article. Unsourced does not mean "delete." Unsourced and cannot BE sourced does. Hazillow (talk) 17:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete &mdash; POV fork, fails WP:V due to the large number of uncited entries, not likely to ever be compliant with WP:NPOV. Cited information, if there is any, could be incorporated into the main PKK article. *** Crotalus *** 17:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. NOT a POV fork. And the deletion process isn't to force people to clean up articles. EJF found a source in three seconds that could be cited for every country in the EU. Hazillow (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Here: POV_fork. The article up for nomination is obviously not a POV fork. Hazillow (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Very true. Indeed, "Since what qualifies as a 'POV fork' is itself based on a POV judgement, do not refer to forks as 'POV' — except in extreme cases of repeated vandalism" This is a list that could easily be cited. I don't see how this list supports any POV. It only refers to factual actions taken by certain governments. It doesn't say "PKK are good/bad" or "Ireland are bad/good, they banned PKK". Sincerely, EJF (talk) 17:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge what can be sourced into PKK. The title of this article sounds like begging the question. Bikasuishin (talk) 23:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but review in a month's time if no sources are added. GW_SimulationsUser Page 23:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dear Supersheep, European Union's structure causes that, if EU signs a treaty, it is the same as each nation has signed it. EU's current structure has some resemblance to US, when US federal government signs a treaty, all the individual states should employ it.Khutuck (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Treaty /= declaring a body a terrorist organisation. The EU and the US are not really comparable. Supersheep (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, I have added most of the references required. Khutuck (talk) 19:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.