Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of country songs (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 00:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

List of country songs
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Way, way, way too wide a scope. Even just counting the charted songs from 1944 to late 2008 filled a 672-page book. There are far more focused lists that present this in a more rational manner, such as List of number-one country hits of 2010 (U.S.) and multiple artists' discographies, as well as Category:Country music songs. I mean, which songs can be included? The last track off Joe Nichols' incredibly obscure 1996 debut? Some song that peaked at #87 by an artist who doesn't have an article? Unreleased tracks by Rascal Flatts that show up under their name in BMI or ASCAP? Last AFD was "no consensus." Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 17:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is possibly as broad as the Lists of piano pieces which were successfully deleted after a couple tries. Honestly, I don't know how this didn't pass the first AFD. Clearly the topic is too broad, and broad lists encourage spam and non-notable nonsense. Please delete this page! &mdash; Timneu22 · talk 17:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Clear inclusion crieteria for a notable topic. Being a big page isn't grounds for deletion.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree that page size isn't a problem, but notability and WP:IINFO are problems. What's the line to determine if a song should be included? You'll never get them all. &mdash; Timneu22 · talk 18:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The opening line states "This is an alphabetical listing of notable country songs". Notable songs - songs that have (or are likely to have) their own WP article.  Lugnuts  (talk) 18:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Which would still make for an ungodly huge list which would be slanted towards recentism. Most non-#1 songs before the Internet age are unlikely to have their own standalone articles (with a few exceptions) simply because there was nothing along the likes of Country Weekly, Country Standard Time or The 9513 to review them. Something like I Still Like Bologna, which only got to #32, has an article because modern web sources reviewed the single in depth, but I doubt you'd find enough information to support an article on, say, "Whatever Comes First" by Sons of the Desert, which went to #10 in 1997, or Southern Pacific's #2 hit "New Shade of Blue" from 1988. Even more, there are years-in-country-music articles such as 2010 in country music which already list each Top 20 single from the year in question. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 19:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete The article is titled "list of country songs," but that conflicts with saying "this is an alphabetical listing of notable country songs." Now if it's a list of country songs, then it would list all country songs.  That would take eons to find and list every single country song.  The article also says "Notable songs of a particular year can be found via list of years in country music."  That list is not just about songs, but about about other notable happenings in country music period.  With the article in question, what criteria is set that makes these particular songs notable?  The list is just subjective and what someone considers notable may not be the same for someone else.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- --Darkwind (talk) 21:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep   By our standard practice, "List of country songs" means List of notable country songs." If we did list all country songhs, that would in fact violate NOT INDISCRIMINATE. If we list the one's notable enough for Wikipedia   articles, that's the appropriate way to do it, however long the list may be. If not all the notable country songs have articles, they should. For the time being, it would be enough to keep them on the list if they obviously qualified, such as a clear reference showing the charting. If the list gets too long for people to handle on slower connections, it cn be divided alphabetically. The length of a list is no bar to having it. We are NOT PAPER.  DGG ( talk ) 21:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand we have categories and lists that overlap, but isn't a category good enough here? If all we're doing is providing the song title, it seems like we could just redirect the list to the category page. I really don't see how this page is needed; or if it is needed, why it should be modified manually... in fact, why not just make all lists like this one be created automatically based on the category, via a bot? Maintaining this monstrosity is too tedious, especially when the category already exists. &mdash; Timneu22 · talk 21:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Timneu, but what DGG and Lugnuts are failing to realize is that it's unreferenced which make the entries notability questionable and the grounds for inclusion in this list is subjective and so what one person deems notable maybe different for another person.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 01:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep quite simple inclusion criteria, if i get the jist of it. however, all these unlinked songs have got to go, or have references here showing notability. if a song is on an album by an artist, and that album shows the songs notability, then link to the album article. anyone who shows a reference for a song should redlink it. it will be much smaller once trimmed, and all the songs can be added over time by devotees. however, length is not the issue here, nor is cleanup.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:25, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Filling a book is no reason to delete because it is our policy that Wikipedia is not paper. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Notable songs are already broken down by year and listed in Category:Years in country music. If we're going to make a list of every country song with an article, Category:Billboard Hot Country Songs number-one singles alone contains more than 1,500 pages! Eric444 (talk) 04:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this page will never be completed as there are thousands and thousands of country songs out there and I doubt anyone would want to go and add every song recorded by every single country act out there. This would be better in categories than a 6000+ list of songs. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 05:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom & above commentors: there's just too many country songs and a list doesn't really make sense, categories would be better CloversMallRat (talk) 00:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Caldorwards and CloversMallRat. A list doesn't make sense at all when we have categories to work with. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.