Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of county routes in Nassau County, New York (C01–C25)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Unfortunately this has been open for over three weeks now and no consensus has materialised with regards to whether or not these lists should exist as standalone articles. Some editorial solutions have been proposed in the discussion, so let's see how those play out for the time being. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

List of county routes in Nassau County, New York (C01–C25)

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Already covered in a table at List of county routes in Nassau County, New York. While these types of lists are permitted for county routes not notable enough for their own article, I doubt that much can be said for most of these routes, over half of which are less than 1 mile long. Rschen7754 02:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:47, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and New York. Rschen7754 02:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per the rationale presented by Rschen7754.  Dough   4872   02:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - the article's author has done a good job with the way the article is laid out. Presentation and readability are much improved over the tabular format in List of county routes in Nassau County, New York, which I find difficult to engage with. In my view, it's that article which should be reduced, by removing the tables for the routes covered here and retaining the links to these two articles. Rupples (talk) 06:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:26, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete The table in the main article adequately presents the information without the need for individual sections and infoboxes. Reywas92Talk 16:46, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is very little to say about these alphanumeric routes that would surpass the utility of a table.  V C  18:29, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – The articles both follow the guidelines of WP:USROADS for county roads. These are typical for county routes anywhere in the United States – regardless of the size of a road – and are needed since the table data in one main article show very limited information and are highly confusing and inefficient – thus the reason why county route guidelines call for articles like these. Regardless of size, they are part of a highway network. Furthermore, I only published these articles within the past week or two, and they are in the very early stages; these are time-consuming to make. Additionally, Wikipedia is WP:NOTPAPER. There is plenty of information out there for many of the roads and their histories – regardless of their lengths. Bearing all of this in mind, I see no reason why the articles should be deleted, and frankly see a clear need for them. AITFFan1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:USRD/RCS and WP:USRD/NT allow this sort of article, but do not mandate that this be done. If you have sources for the history, I would be more inclined to keep, but much of the history is based on a WP:SPS. --Rschen7754 20:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I can absolutely add some more sources which are non-SPS. I will add them over the next few days.
 * AITFFan1 (talk) 23:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have started adding non-SPS sources for the history of some roads – and I have also added historic information for some roads which did not yet have a section or have expanded upon the existing information. With all that said, I do believe that it is important for the articles to be retained; they are allowed by multiple guidelines, Wikipedia is not paper, and the list articles are highly needed, in my opinion, to better explain what is presented in the main article (which is confusing to interpret and understand and lacks adequate and important route details for each road). AITFFan1 (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I am open to this being userfied in case you want to continue working on this, but - the sources added mostly focus on the what-ifs of specific roads that never happened. I was hoping for more about constructing the road, or effects the road has had on society, or major projects that did go through. --Rschen7754 01:11, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. These detailed lists could be a blessing, if we can also reduce the volume of the notes in List of county routes in Nassau County, New York or just maybe even totally eradicate the notes in the main. Right now, I do not see the positive impacts in the main. Rschen7754 and AITFFan1, would this be a setup you can both live with? gidonb (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I can absolutely live with that setup. AITFFan1 (talk) 00:52, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is the appropriate way to go. I think my position on road notability is fairly well known (User:Rschen7754/Without apology), however even I am concerned at the level of detail that is being used for what is cumulatively 10 miles of road per list - and unsigned county roads at that. I could probably write an article cherrypicking major streets in the city that I live that looked like this, but ultimately it would not be notable. --Rschen7754 02:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Further to my comment above and the intention of the creator to improve the parent articles when such detailed lists are created. Releasing the main lists from minute detail and having these concentrate on the bigger picture would be a MAJOR BENEFIT of the detailed lists. Precisely what sublists are intended to do! gidonb (talk) 06:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.