Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of crimes involving a silicone mask


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The result was keep with no prejudice against merging into an article about silicone masks in general once one has been created. So Why  09:13, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

List of crimes involving a silicone mask

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Overly specific list of non-notable examples as a collection of news events. What's next, List of crimes involving a gun, List of crimes involving a wig? Mask does not need such a selective subarticle to list unconnected events. We could probably use an article on silicone mask, though not just to list every movie that employed them too. Reywas92Talk 19:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Reywas92Talk 19:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable and relevant article. This AfD is tragic. The article was started yesterday. Prodded yesterday. And then AfD'd today. WP:NORUSH. The article has WP:RS and considering it is barely a day old, the nominator should not be so aggressive: because we have actual policies to WP:PRESERVE and find WP:ATD. Lightburst (talk) 21:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep While only two of the incidents have their own articles right now, the subject is quite notable. Ample news coverage around the world for some of these events, not just in the nations that they take place in.  We wouldn't list all crimes involving a gun since that's something quite common.  Using silicone masks is not.  I was going to make an article about crimes involving silicone masks, and decided to just make it a list article since that's what it was shaping up to be.   D r e a m Focus  22:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic passes WP:LISTN. As the more general topic of silicone masks doesn't seem to have an article, we should build on this start, per WP:IMPERFECT, rather than deleting anything. Andrew D. (talk) 22:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. It would be preferable to have this list incorporated in a silicone mask article, as there aren't all that many entries, but a couple of the sources do discuss its use in crimes, so LISTN is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:36, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to silicone mask, where it would be a sensible addition. There is not, however, enough for a stand-alone list here. A couple sources do treat them as a group, but it comprises almost entirely non-notable incidents. Having a list of non-notable crimes is undesirable from a WP:CSC perspective, but also a WP:BLP perspective. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 01:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That target (silicone mask) is a redirect and as such is not about silicone masks or crime. Lightburst (talk) 01:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. I used the link because it was used above. The merge would be to mask, which is perfectly relevant. I'd want to see a section on silicone masks develop there to the point it needs to be spun out before seeing a stand-alone article for that (but that's a discussion apart from this AfD, of course). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 22:24, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I think the best option would be to create a silicone mask page, which appears to not exist yet, and make this one element of the page.ParticipantObserver (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. List of trivia, WP:OR, fails WP:NLIST. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:42, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure WP:OR applies to this list. The article creator made no attempt to WP:SYNTH. And I am trying to understand why the list fails WP:NLIST: Many articles contain (or stand alone as) lists of people. Inclusion within stand-alone lists should be determined by the normal criteria established for that page. Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:SOURCELIST, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. So the established criteria is "crimes involving a silicone mask" and the criteria for inclusion on the list is clearly met by each addition. Lightburst (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep. In the absence of a silicone mask article to merge to, keep is the only viable option.4meter4 (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


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