Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of curling clubs in New Brunswick


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. But with no prejudice to the various ideas for improvement such as moving, etc, which can be discussed elsewhere. There is consensus that the redlinks should be removed from non-notable clubs which is a normal editing move. Davewild (talk) 12:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

List of curling clubs in New Brunswick

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as per WP:NOTDIR. almost all list entries are non notable. also nominating similar articles: LibStar (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * List of curling clubs in British Columbia
 * List of curling clubs in Alberta
 * List of curling clubs in Saskatchewan
 * List of curling clubs in Alberta
 * List of curling clubs in Manitoba
 * List of curling clubs in Ontario
 * List of curling clubs in Nova Scotia
 * List of curling clubs in Prince Edward Island
 * List of curling clubs in the Yukon, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut
 * List of curling clubs in Newfoundland and Labrador
 * Delete Per nomination (but remember to tag all articles when you make a bundled nomination like this!). Curling is clearly a popular sport in Canada, but the vast majority of these clubs are amateur organizations which certainly should not have articles. Coverage of every amateur club is an excessive amount of detail. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. The solution I think, is to remove the red links from non notable clubs. According to WP:CURLING, most curling clubs are in fact notable, anyways, but that could be up for debate. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I created these lists, because I felt the ever growing list on the curling article was getting too long, and it's better to have some sort of page. Also, these pages are not just a "directory", they also explain the zone structure in the provinces which are important for the various provincial tournaments. Lastly, the pages could be improved like the list of curling clubs in Ontario page to include stuff like sheet numbers, and perhaps even more information in the future. Year built, rock colours, etc. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:CURLiNG is not an established guideline. "Most curling clubs are notable" I strongly disagree, most would fail WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 16:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's debatable, and irrelevant. The List of curling clubs in the United States for example does not even use red links, and that is something that can be done for these lists. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:IDONTLIKEIT Vodello (talk) 00:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * For whom? Care to elaborate? -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment, possibly Move - Some of the information is valuable, but I think it is misplaced in a list like this. I think a better location for these articles would be Curling in Saskatchewan, etc, which could include the zone structure and list of clubs, as well as notable alumni from those clubs, national champions, as well as world and Olympic champions.  The information is important, but I think these standalone lists are not the correct way to present the information.  Canada Hky (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * An interesting compromise. This information is useful, and will have to be incorporated somehow even if these articles are deleted. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree, interesting idea. I think it would be a better thing than to simply throw everything out. — Huntster (t @ c) 08:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Excessive detail, the vast majority of the clubs are not notable. I like the idea of possibly working the content into Curling in ... as a means of saving them, but there isn't even a Curling in Canada article yet, let alone each of the provinces.  PK  T (alk)  12:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if most of the clubs are not notable, that's not a reason to delete these lists. Some of the clubs are notable, and it would be biased to remove the non notable ones, but we could de-red link them. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
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 * Move to userspace temporarily.The Manual of Style (lists) tells us to avoid lists of redlinks. I know this entails a heck of a lot of work, but I support Canada Hky's idea of creating regional curling articles.  Would be willing to help if that ends up being the case.  The Interior (Talk) 18:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've moved the information to my userspace FWIW. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep and de-redlink. The individual clubs themselves may or may not be notable but that doesn't make a listing of them unencyclopedic or not useful to our readers. -- &oelig; &trade; 17:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * keep and deredlink theres nothing wrong with the list Aisha9152 (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:JUSTAVOTE. please explain why it should be kept? LibStar (talk) 23:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge all into a List of curling clubs in Canada, containing just those with blue links. This combined page should have headings for each province, with the above titles being changed into targeted redirects to those headings. Sebwite (talk) 21:57, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, it would be quite POV to include only some clubs whilst excluding others. I am not opposed to merging as a last resort, however it would be quite a long list. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all at least until it can be determined how many of the redlinks merit articles. Wikipedia is a directory of its own contents, so WP:NOTDIR would only have relevance here if these lists were too far removed from notable subjects or encyclopedic organization and information thereof, which has not been shown.  Without that analysis, invoking WP:NOTDIR is nothing but a WP:VAGUEWAVE.  Though I do see that many of these lists are years old and the redlinks have not yet been filled, on the deletion side I don't see anything above beyond unsupported generalities that most are not notable.  I have no idea.  Some presumably are, and these lists appear to be a good means of organizing potential article creation, i.e., one of the main purposes of lists.  I trust that this AFD will be a kick in the pants for WikiProject Curling to endeavor to trim these down where needed, and make many of the links blue, or present a good argument as to why completion is an encyclopedic goal such that non-notable clubs should also be listed.  And if that doesn't happen the issue can be revisited again later.  postdlf (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, WP:NOTDIR wouldn't apply because it's meant for Lists containing contact information or being used as a resource for conducting business. This is nothing of the sort, it's just a listing of the clubs themselves. -- &oelig; &trade; 22:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep all The fact that the lists are well organized into Zones makes the information useful, even if there are no individual articles.Ng.j (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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