Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of current Toyota vehicles in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Most common reason given was that this duplicates List of Toyota vehicles -- RoySmith (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

List of current Toyota vehicles in the United States

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Unsourced, perenially out of date, bare bones of a list. Some of the information (fuel economy) is meaningless marketing fluff when applied to models that have yet to hit the road. If this list were fleshed out, it would only contain a copy of information already in List of Toyota vehicles. Moreover, as much as the US is a major market for Toyota, I think "List of X vehicles in Y" type articles are too granular with too much overlap in content to be useful and tenable.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  18:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  We Are All  Here   talk  19:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. North America1000 20:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America1000 20:19, 8 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Blatant original research. Ajf773 (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- First of all, nom gives no actual reasons for deletion per policy. Furthermore, this should be kept per WP:LISTN, which tells us that "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources."  That is so clearly the case with Toyota vehicles.  The world is full of RS that talk about Toyota vehicles as a group or set.  Also, contra, this is not OR at all.  I would appreciate an explanation of why in the world anyone would think this is OR when obviously for any given Toyota vehicle there are myriad independent RS stating that it's a Toyota. Furthermore, even more evidence that this list satisfies LISTN can be adduced from the myriad entries in Category:Lists of automobiles.  It seems that nom ought to start an RfC about the general notability of such lists rather than trying to pick off special cases without valid reasoning. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 16:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * First of all WP:V is a reason. The creator has provided no sources except the generic Toyota website as an external link so none of the content has been verified by cited references. Secondly WP:LISTN given there are no other articles in existence that categorises any list of vehicles as ones currently available in any market (we are also not a product catalogue) so this is a non notable cross categorisation. Thirdly there is no clear inclusion criteria so in my view it's just an arbitrary list of vehicles and vehicle stats and in my opinion is deemed original research. Ajf773 (talk) 19:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:V is a reason for deletion if you can establish that there's no verifiable coverage in RS, but you didn't make that argument in your nomination. Even if you had, it would be unsupportable because there is tons of verifiable coverage in RS.  Next, WP:LISTN would be a reason if you made an argument that this grouping wasn't discussed as a group in RS, but (a) it is discussed, and (b) your claim that there are no other lists like this one is not germane to a LISTN argument anyway.  Finally, there is a clear-cut inclusion criterion.  If the car is a Toyota and it's current then it goes in.  Otherwise not. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * This isn't my nomination but the nominator clearly mentions that the article lacks reliable sources, is an untenable list WP:LISTN is plus it also tries to recatergorise an existing article List of Toyota vehicles, albeit poorly. That is explained without the need to point directly to policies or guidelines. Ajf773 (talk) 20:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no need to start a RfC about the general notability of such lists, because there are no other such lists. But to entertain this argument, consider that LISTN says that "one accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources ..." (emphasis in source). Perhaps one could find various US car magazine articles discussing Toyota's current US lineup and cobble together some writing about it. The trouble is, you could well do that for dozens of other countries, and end up with dozens of "List of current Toyota vehicles in X" articles with 90% overlapping content since naturally Toyota sells most of the same models everywhere. (Not even touching the subject of if this gives notability to a list of current vehicles as opposed to a list of all vehicles.) This is why we have WP:NOTCATALOGUE.  Daß &thinsp;  Wölf  02:40, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, the nomination reads like idontlikeit and isn't valid. Leaving that aside, there are no refs but I find it hard to believe they don't exist, so i'll vote keep per nexist. Szzuk (talk) 14:30, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * delete First, there's the "this article needs to be updated" tag from last August, which tends to show that nobody cares about maintaining it; after that, the next issue is that the source (which after all is probably the only reasonable source) is Toyota itself. I would tend to assume that there's some chart we have of which models were sold in the US on a year-by-year basis, and that makes some sense in the long term; in the short, people should look to Toyota, not us. Mangoe (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete As duplicate. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  21:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as a duplicate of article mentioned by nom. Current models are also explained in template form here. MPG usage/what it is is causing it to sound like an advertisement, which isn't wanted on Wiki. Nightfury 07:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete As a duplication, as mentioned. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I understand that sources that talk specifically about Toyota vehicles sold in the United States could exist, but I don't feel like that's enough for inclusion. Especially considering that this information is better-covered in List of Toyota vehicles. Gargleafg (talk) 22:38, 30 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.