Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of dead rappers

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was - deleted - SimonP 19:46, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

List of dead rappers
Orphaned, incomplete list. I think our categorization and indexing of people is extensive enough without this. jni 12:26, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Delete. Trivial listcruft. List of murdered rappers would be encyclopedic, but this article's scope is too broad. Why not just put them on List of dead people? Binadot 16:46, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. We already have the List of hip hop musicians, which clearly states which are deceased. Even if it were changed to "murdered," it still seems like a fairly pointless article to me.  Definite deletion.  Ridethefire3211 11:47 EST, 20 Mar 2005
 * Second. ParkingStones 18:01, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Isn't rap different from hip-hip? The List of hip hop musicians seems to be working fine regardless. weak delete. Mgm|(talk) 17:54, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, scope is too broad. DaveTheRed
 * Keep. There's no reason to delete this article. CPS 06:27, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, pointless unnecessary list. Megan1967 07:20, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Before you consider Megan1967's vote as any kind of input you might note that she votes to delete any article that is related to rap music. I doubt that she has any true insight on the matter at hand. CPS 07:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Attack the argument, not the person. I wholeheartedly agree that this is a pointless unnecessary list, and that it should be deleted. Radiant_* 08:14, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to start a dialogue about this, but it seems unlikely to me that anyone would be open-minded enough for it to go anywhere. Radiant! has also voted for a number of articles related to rap music to be deleted and I don't think I could ever change his mind about this one. Your argument is that this page is "pointless". But the deaths of these rappers were all fairly big events. CPS 08:41, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * 7 deletes so far to 1 keep. It's a big call to claim everyone who votes against this is "close minded", particularly since the vote has nothing to do with the genre of music or race. Megan1967 09:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've kept track of some of your other votes. You voted to delete Lil' Scrappy, Pimp C, God's Son, Me So Horny, Diss Tape, Whody, and Lo' Down (a.k.a. Loco José). Even though I doubt you know anything about these topics, you voted to delete all of them. I am not arguing with the other people voting to delete this, only you. I think it's obvious to anyone who is paying attention that you are biased against articles related to rap music. But since there are so many votes against this page, maybe your vote being discounted won't hurt afterall? CPS 09:36, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I guess your plea is better than simply blanking/removing/censoring other people's votes you dont agree with which you have a previous record of doing btw. Thank goodness you don't run a democracy. P.S. I seriously doubt there is a pro-Libertarian bias on Wikipedia. Megan1967 10:26, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually that's 8 delete's counting Radiant's vote. Megan1967 09:21, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * CPS, if - as you say - you are arguing with no one else here, only with Megan, I suggest you do it either on her talk page or on your own. Comments of this nature are of no use to other voters and make VfD even larger than it already is. Vlad M V  &#1645; talk 19:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to keep track of votes, but you seem to have forgotten the First Law of Statistics (namely, that if you put enough numbers together, eventually some relation will seem to appear that is in fact a random deviation). The point is, neither Megan nor myself are biased against any particular kind of music. Rather, we have some (not necessarily identical) ideas on what is encyclopedic and what isn't. That is POV and subject to vote, and that's exactly what VfD is for. So asking for our votes to be discounted is uncalled for (and equally invalid as the argument that your vote should be discounted because you are biased in favor of this kind of music).
 * Read the Notability and Music Requirements for details on why some artists get deleted even if some people like them. Radiant_* 13:31, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * If CPS's definition of being "open minded" includes censoring free speech (deleting comments and blanking pages), discriminating on the grounds of political belief (ie. Libertarianism), and the right to vote (deleting votes from VfD) then all power to him. Too bad he hasn't argued anything in favour of actually keeping the article, now there's a thought. Megan1967 22:03, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Again CPS has been engaging in censorship on this VfD by removing my replies to his unsubstantiated allegations. Megan1967 04:47, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm dropping the issue now. This article looks headed for a consensus delete so it's pointless arguing any further. The admins have already noted what's going on. Megan1967 01:58, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but should be annotated, possibly renamed. Notable rappers seem to die alarmingly frequently Kappa 10:45, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, support renaming. Yes, premature death has become a particular hazard of that particular occupation/social construct and as such this phenomenon is research-worthy and thus the list is useful. Jgm 22:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, listcruft. ComCat 01:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, as "rapper" seems overly restrictive. For example, both Jam Master Jay of Run-DMC and Scott La Rock of Boogie Down Productions were DJs, not rappers, and do not belong on this list.  List of hip hop musicians is more inclusive and is already sufficient. -   Banyan Tree  17:32, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What's the point? --Carnildo 06:19, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of hip hop musicians Saopaulo1 07:07, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete no point. --Silas Snider (talk) 07:18, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pointless list. Vlad M V  &#1645; talk 19:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, pointless useless vanity listcruft. Leanne 02:37, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)