Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of deaths by motorcycle crash


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

List of deaths by motorcycle crash

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Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, which in my opinion, this is.  Kees08  (Talk)   07:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep WP:NOT is inapplicable because this isn’t a proposal to delete the information on this list from Wikipedia. With or without this list, all the information remains because all the entries are biographical articles, with the details of the motorcycle crash. The list simply repeats select facts from notable articles. There’s nothing indiscriminate or random about it. Whether to have such lists is under editorial discretion, not policy, as explained in WP:CLN. I don't see how this list violates any guidelines in WP:AOAL. Consensus on this can be seen at the Featured list List of deaths from drug overdose and intoxication, and the AfD Articles for deletion/Lists of people by cause of death. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 07:46, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree with the editor on the talk page from 2010 (not pinging because I am not shopping for votes), that this seems suited to be a category instead of a list. The intro has little room to be expanded because I do not think there is much to write about it. The line between a list and category can be fuzzy sometimes, but I think this one is clearly into category territory.  Kees08  (Talk)   05:32, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not an unusual point of view, but the guideline over at WP:NOTDUPE it says "arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion discussion is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided." This isn't a rigid policy and "should be avoided" doesn't mean "is never allowed", but it's not the strongest ground to stand on. In general, we tolerate lists that are poorer substitutes for categories, or categories that are poorer substitutes for lists, because as long a both exist everyone can pick their poison. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:50, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Is there a category for it? I checked earlier and did not find one, it just linked to the list.  Kees08  (Talk)   06:23, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The awkwardly and inconsistently named Category:Motorcycle road incident deaths and Category:Motorcycle racers killed while racing (which maps to Rider deaths in motorcycle racing. A lot of articles and categories in this area have less than ideal names. Many 'list of deaths by foo accident are not lists of people (notable bio articles) killed by foo but actual annual fatality statistics and fatality rates of foo-accidents. We need to do some naming rationalization between Category:Dead people and categories like Category:Transport fatality rates. But even if these categories didn't exist, generally your arguments would allow creating the category, but not necessarily deleting the equivalent list. Editorial discretion could prevail, but in principle keeping both is fine. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CLT as a list article that more or less duplicates a valid category. That being said, the scope should be cleared up a bit - the list as titled would seem to include deaths in racing, but there's another category/list article for that; perhaps they should by synced-up title-wise. ansh 666 08:07, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 08:39, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 09:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 09:08, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. This article seems to be somewhat of a split-off from List of people who died in traffic collisions but including only those in motorcycle accidents. Ajf773 (talk) 09:16, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   23:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename to List of people who died in motorcycle crashes. The title is horribly awkward, but this does not mean that the list is filtered too much by an arbitrary identifier. ! dave  11:29, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: there are many similar lists on WP and I can't see why this one would be particularly not notable. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - valid list. PhilKnight (talk) 00:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, a broad enough category to sustain a list and in keeping with other lists of people by cause of death. Daniel Case (talk) 05:38, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.