Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of dictators (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. somewhat early, per WP:SNOW Eddie891 Talk Work 00:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

List of dictators
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Violation of neutral point of view, will always be utterly arbitrary POV list. Previous community consensus for similar lists has been delete. Goldsztajn (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Goldsztajn (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Speedy delete per G4, see 1st nomination. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I don’t believe this list has been discussed as a list anywhere, which would make this some kind of WP:SYNTH. Mccapra (talk) 03:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Seems very arbitrary, not a single citation to be found. Pure WP:OR. — Czello 07:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete lacking in citations. List has come from the Dictator article which has problems as well, but at least provides a bit of context. --Salix alba (talk): 08:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the article meets the criteria of Speedy deletion. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per G4 Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If this had meaningful and robust sourcing perhaps this could be considered but at the moment it is entirely unsoruced so should probably be deleted. If some kind of sourcing and inclusion criteria could be agreed upon it could possibly be considered but that's a long way off.  Spy-cicle💥   Talk? 13:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as unsourced. The topic itself meets WP:LISTN. It would be best to focus on Dictator with sources and consider splitting if that grows enough. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. I know that the previous AfD discussion was back in 2006, but the rationale was sound and still applies, so I don't think that disqualifies it. The list is inherently WP:POV, and that is not a fixable problem. "Dictator" is a value-laden WP:LABEL which is to be used only with WP:INTEXT attribution. This list instead puts it in WP:WikiVoice, which is unacceptable.The fact that it is a list also means that we can't circumvent the WP:LABEL problem with WP:INTEXT attribution, because list articles need WP:LISTCRITERIA that are unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources. We can't simply have a list of people who have been described as dictators, as that label is often used loosely and/or hyperbolically to such an extent that it would be necessary to make judgment calls about inclusion based on WP:WEIGHT (we could say that Barack Obama has been described as a dictator with in-text attribution to Paul LePage, but should we?), and then the inclusion criteria aren't unambiguous and objective, now are they?It's that problem of balancing objective WP:LISTCRITERIA and WP:NPOV concerns (which require judgment) that makes this untenable as a list article. With prose articles, we have the usual process of assigning WP:Due weight to opposing viewpoints, and excluding that which is undue altogether. We can thus say that mentioning that the subject of the article has been described as a dictator would probably not be WP:DUE in the articles Margaret Thatcher and Abraham Lincoln, but that it probably is WP:DUE in the articles Muammar Gaddafi and Josip Broz Tito (and in the latter cases more context and opposing viewpoints may be added as necessary). In a list like this however, we have to flout either WP:NPOV or WP:LISTCRITERIA (or both), neither of which is acceptable.At any rate, there's nothing to merge and no way to salvage this article, so it should be deleted. I would also suggest WP:SALTING it. TompaDompa (talk) 00:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete at the current state it is a gross violation of WP:NPOV and WP:OR. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not enough coverage to pass general notability guidelines. TheDreamBoat (talk) 05:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt as a list that is never going to have objective inclusion criteria as positioned. The current list is also entirely unsourced to boot. firefly  ( t · c ) 10:37, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: it is impartial right now and any article about dictators will be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwmdjeff (talk • contribs) 23:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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