Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of dictators supported by the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments. Liz Read! Talk! 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

List of dictators supported by the United States

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There is no way this page could ever satisfy WP:NPOV because terms like "dictator" and "support" can be subjectively debated, leaving this page in violation of WP:NOTADVOCACY. Whereas List of wars involving the United States can sort through the subjectivity of distinguishing skirmishes from wars by criteria like named military operations, the "support" for a dictatorship could easily range from diplomatic recognition to outright military and economic alliances. For example, why not include Kim Jong Un on the tenuous basis of Trump's visits providing North Korea's dictatorship with greater legitimacy? BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 01:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge with U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments. Obviously it is controversial to some but that's no reason for deletion, this is a topic that gets a lot of coverage. Orange sticker (talk) 08:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Great suggestion! My issue with this list article is that the format suggests objective criteria for inclusion, but an article on this area US foreign policy seems appropriate. It looks like that article could benefit from some organization, such as Cold War alliances and War on Terror alliances. I will try improving that article with some of this one's content over the next few days, but I will leave this deletion discussion open in case others have more suggestions. BluePenguin18 🐧  ( 💬 ) 16:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree, the table isn't appropriate here as it implies a list of identical things, and there's too much nuance and variation. A list with more narrative would be better. Orange sticker (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and United States of America. Shellwood (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge with U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments, this topic is well documented, so making it a section on the topic's main article is just what makes sense. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep Does Trump really support dictator Kim Jong-un? While US presidents who support other dictators often show it directly or vaguely or conceal it, Trump does not have the above signs. Don't talk about Trump's visit to North Korea to speculate, or if you As an anti-Trump person, there is nothing to discuss. What I read is that the tabloids, or at least the opposing views, cannot place Kim Jong-un here, for the List of wars involving the United States, because it begins started before it was even founded, and support for dictatorship only started from the 1920s onwards, so this argument is not practically applicable, if you mean the term "state dictatorship", "support" is a violation of WP:NOTADVOCACY, this site does not even have anything to defame, affecting the honor and responsibility of the United States or the US government, what they do is their reputation. Their intention, purpose, and actions, they invaded other countries and bombed and burned. It's their fault, no one else's, this article is not even a propaganda thing or a "battlefield" as WP:NOTADVOCACY mentioned, if you read carefully, this is an informative article. complete, with correct sources. For merging with U.S. policy towards authoritarian governments, there are things that have not been mentioned (or literally missing) in this article, so it would be better to have a separate page. Geotubemedia (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Geotubemedia, it seems you started editing last month, so I want to clarify that merging is different from redirecting. As you note, each article contains some information not present in the other, so merging would involve combining the total sum of their information into the same article. I am not approaching this deletion discussion from a particular viewpoint, instead hoping to show that a list article is ripe for edit wars because this hypothetical anti-Trump editor could speculate about whether Trump supports Kim Jong Un. BluePenguin18 🐧  ( 💬 ) 11:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge with U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments. A topic that gets a surprising amount of coverage (for example, this article from France 24), and clearly passes WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 13:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Merge towards U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments. The previous article already have great content, adding new list is not needed. &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;    (contact)   05:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge due to precedents establishing that we shouldn't have a list of dictators, most recently at Articles for deletion/List of dictators (2nd nomination) and Talk:Dictator/Archive_2. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Politics. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.