Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of diplomatic missions in Iraqi Kurdistan


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) MrScorch6200  (talk &#124; ctrb) 23:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

List of diplomatic missions in Iraqi Kurdistan

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Iraqi Kurdistan is part of Iraq. We already have article titled "List of diplomatic missions in Iraq". All diplomatic missions in Kurdistan are also per se located in Iraq, so they are (or should be) in the article "List of diplomatic missions in Iraq". All those missions are accredited to Iraq, not to Kurdistan. Diplomacy is conducted between countries, and no country recognizes Kurdistan as such. Russia also has autonomous republics, but we do not have separate articles about foreign missions in every Russian republic. For example, we do not have article "List of diplomatic missions in Tatarstan", although some missions are indeed located in Tatarstan, but they are all covered in the article "List of diplomatic missions in Russia". Vanjagenije (talk) 22:29, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - This looks more like intending to prepare for a future independent country article. If there were enough missions in a city, although not a capital, for instance Istanbul or New York or similar we could make a list. This list is intending to use WP for a nationalist cause. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 22:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  22:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't see any nationalist cause propagandizing going on here. Iraqi Kurdistan operates with a level of autonomy that is unusual. I am not seeing any good reason to delete. Wefihe (talk) 23:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment If this is to be considered for deletion, what about List of diplomatic missions of Iraqi Kurdistan, which relates to representative offices of Iraqi Kurdistan in foreign territories? Also, I might note that this article was created on 31 December 2012, so this is not a recent creation as part of some geopolitical aim under the recent insurgency in Northern Iraq. I'm still undecided personally, as I could consider either way, but it is a unique case in that it is an territory with recognised autonomy from its parent state, and a defined aim of democratic independence - i.e. those seeking independence have not been engaging in conflict with the state from which they seek independence, which to my mind is relatively unusual. — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 11:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * So that we do not have to retread old ground, there are a couple of good RfCs on Kurdistan's autonomy at the talk for the Iraqi Kurdistan page - see here and here — Sasuke Sarutobi (talk) 11:58, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Kurdistan has a specific position, mission here have functions of de facto embassies. Iraqi Kurdistan has its own foreign policy. The purpose of Wikipedia is not the assessment of, whether these facts are positive or not, but to provide to the readers informations which are notable. And the existence of a whole series of foreign missions in Erbil, and significant relationships of Kurdistan with many countries, i tis undoubtedly notable. In the cases of Tatarstan or California nothing similar exists. The article is notable, and there is no reason to delete it. Jan CZ (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Jan CZ, the only way to prove wp:Notability is through citing reliable independent sources. Article currenlty only cites Kurdistan government official site. Do you have any reliable independet sources to prove that Kurdistan has it's own foreign policy and that Kurdistan has significant relationships with many countries? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course, here is many independent sources about Kurdistani foreign policy like this "Political stability, ...have given the KRG the opportunity to pursue an energetic and broad foreign policy. The KRG’s primary body for directing its foreign affairs is the Department of Foreign Relations (DFR)... The DFR’s foremost objectives are to ..improve the Region’s international ties with various governments and international organizations... A total of 26 countries have diplomatic presence in Erbil... Multinational bodies, including the EU, UN, ICRC, Japan International Cooperation Agency, and the Korea International Cooperation Agency also have offices in Kurdistan. This significant diplomatic presence demonstrates the confidence that foreign governments place in the Kurdistan Region. Additionally, the KRG’s presence abroad has also grown significantly since 2007. The KRG currently has representative offices in 14 countries...". About relations with other countries in the same source: "The best example of the Kurdistan Region’s evolving relations with its neighbors is its relationship with Turkey. ...expanding partnership, built upon mutual economic interests, was symbolized by the visit of Turkish PM Tayyip Erdogan to the Kurdistan Region in March 2011, the first such visit by a Turkish leader. Increasing trade volumes between Turkey and Kurdistan ($8.4 billion in 2012) empirically demonstrate the importance of this developing relationship... Operating under the “Good Neighbor” strategy, the Kurdistan Region has established strong bilaterial relationships with its neighbors..." Etc. Jan CZ (talk) 14:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep unless additional deletion rationales are presented. The nomination is entirely based on the converses of WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:USEFUL. Anarchangel (talk) 21:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The nomination is based on the policy WP:CONTENTFORK. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Just as Taiwan is technically part of China and not an independent state (see List of diplomatic missions in Taiwan), just like Iraqi Kurdistan, in all practically it operates as a de facto independent state. The diplomatic missions in these cases function as full-on embassies although they are not technically so as they are primarily involved with the diplomatic relations, citizen consular services, advisories, and all other state department functions (immigration, cultural liaisons, law enforcement, business support) with solely the region their in and the government of that region.--Oakshade (talk) 04:07, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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