Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ecchi anime


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The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 12:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

List of ecchi anime

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The list fails WP:SALT as it contains an overly vague inclusion criteria with little not no bases on reliable sources. Ecchi is a Japanese term derived from the letter "H" in the word hentai and can mean anything from "sexy", "lewd", to near pornographic; but it is generally used as a synonymy for "perverted". Because of this broadness, very few reliable sources actually uses the term, and will almost ever use the term to describe a particular anime. Thus every series listed is based on the personal view point and interpretations of the term by editors who added the series to the list and are therefore unverifiable. —Farix (t &#124; c) 16:59, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:00, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- —Farix (t &#124; c) 17:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. As the creator of this list, the nominator was kind enough to notify me of this AFD. I encountered this list as a list-style article in the category namespace: the now-deleted . I created this article merely to move the list into the correct namespace, and since I know nothing about the topic I have no opinion on whether it should be deleted. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - But I do see the term used in reliable-source reviews, though admittedly more often in reviews of manga than anime, and its most common use is "this is more ecchi than hentai." Reliable sources also do try to pick out the distinguishing features of the two terms, making the subject of notable interest. It is certainly not over-broad in itself, given the term's use -- the main issue is sourcing and original research, which it seems to me can be solved by insisting that nothing be on the list without a source calling the anime that. Also, I note that we have the long-standing category Category:Ecchi anime and manga. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The category has the exact same problems as the list. I'm about to go through the cat and remove any articles that are not supported by reliable sources. I expect the category to be nearly empty after the sweep. —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:26, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, Category:Ecchi anime and manga has the same problem as this list and the previous cat. Unless "ecchi" is used by japanese anime/manga producers in a precise fashion, like part of a rating system, or is used by reviewers to describe it accurately, its like having a "list of kinky movies", which wouldnt stand. I can see the value of such a list for people searching for anime with sexual content, but thats not what WP is for. If the list can be cleaned of subjects without sources indicating "ecchi" content, and if there are any left, then i guess it can stay, but i dont like it.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment from what seems to be used on the net... "hentai" would be pornographic, while "ecchi" is erotic, which means use of both of these terms are jargon, and should be replaced by "pornographic" and "erotic" respectively. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 04:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm not an expert on anime, but as I understand it, this term is too vague and contestable to serve as the inclusion criteria for a list or category. List of anime with sexual content would be acceptable, but I don't think there's a clear way of determining whether a given anime is 'ecchi' or not. Robofish (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The question with that is how much "sexual content" must an anime have before it can be added to the list. Pany shots? Nudity of any kind? Skimpy bathing suits? A bath scene? What about a long running anime series with only one sex seen but no other sexual content. What about a series like The Slayers which makes frequent jokes about the lead character's breast size and another character with an outfit so revealing, she would get arrested for indecent exposure. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:06, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  01:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment What about official sites like tokyopop and funimation that label the anime ecchi as a genre? Can they be used as sources to label something ecchi? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you show examples of either of them using such a label? —Farix (t &#124; c) 19:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If the product is advertised with that term, or those that review it put it in that category, then stick it on the list. We already have a Wikipedia category for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ecchi_anime_and_manga And the article ecchi gives a clear definition of the defining characteristics.  Going to nominate those too?  Does anyone doubt this is a real genre?   D r e a m Focus  04:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "If the product is advertised with that term" But so far, no one has been able to back up that claim with reliable sources. And going through Category:Ecchi anime and manga, it's clear that most reviewers generally avoid the term altogether. In fact, going through A-I, I've only found four series were a single reviewer did use the term to describe the series. Also, the existence of a category doesn't justify the existence of a list, especially when both suffer the same issues of verifiability and original research. —Farix (t &#124; c) 15:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Anime News Network uses that genre to define things. Its a very common theme.   D r e a m Focus  00:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ANN's encyclopedia's genres are user submitted and are notorious for being wrong. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete while Ecchi is likely a notable topic (if its article can ever be expanded beyond its current WP:DICDEF state), trying to maintain a list of series that fit the label would be overly broad and beyond the scope of a list. There isn't a finite number of ecchi series, nor is the current number of known ecchi series what I would consider small. As with any genre topic, the main article should highlight well-sourced examples to draw on, rather than creating an overly broad list of all "possible" examples that tend to be rife more with WP:OR and personal opinions than actual facts. Such a list is in the end difficult to maintain. It is for the very broad topics such as these that categories are the more ideal solution. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, AnmaFinotera convinces me -- coupled with the fact that reliable sources often can be found disagreeing over whether a given work is ecchi, both on the tamer and more hentai edges of this hard-to-define concept. Better would be putting effort into beefing up Ecchi, and in the meantime delete this. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Here is an example of how much original research is going on with the entries on this list. There has been several attempts by IPs to add Highschool of the Dead. However, none of the reviews from reliable sources have labeled the series "ecchi" or even mention the term in relations to the series. —Farix (t &#124; c) 20:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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nevertheless this discussion is just plain shit