Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ecchi anime (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. L Faraone  00:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

List of ecchi anime
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"The list fails WP:SALAT as it contains an overly vague inclusion criteria with little not no bases on reliable sources." Basicly nothing has changed since the last AfD here, inclusion into the list is about one's personal point of view. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete unlike hentai, what is or isn't ecchi isn't very clearly defined, and what is or isn't can only ever be based on the opinion of the viewer. This isn't any more a potential list subject than List of sexy musicians or List of weird movies would be. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:52, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Ecchi is clearly defined and we have a category for it also. Category:Ecchi anime and manga Amazon.com has 209 results for the word ecchi. Do any of the packages or official description of these things call it that?  Reviews from reliable sources use the term such as this one from Crunchyroll .  The Google custom search for reliable sources for Anime and Manga  shows "About 2,120,000 results" for "ecchi".   D r e a m Focus  14:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ecchi as pointed out before, is used as a synonymy for "perverted", it is very broad in nature and as such is labeled as a genre. Romance and comedy are also genres but you do not see List of Romantic anime and manga or List of comedy anime and manga now do you? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Romantic comedy anime and manga exists so of course you could make it into a list if you wanted to.  D r e a m Focus  19:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said below, I do not think ecchi is a genre, but a broad description that an anime has some sexually suggestive content or the like. I think something like List of romance anime would be a reasonable article topic (and note that there is a List of romance manga), but I still don't think a list of ecchi anime is an appropriate article topic. Calathan (talk) 22:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Assuming the nominator means WP:SALAT instead of WP:SALT here. I agree with the nom and several of the informed opinions at the last AfD that the criteria is too subjective for us to create a list without compromising our integrity commitment to be neutral and avoid original research.  Them From  Space  15:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have changed that thanks. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Just because there is a problem with it doesn't mean you should delete it. The term is also NOT English only and Japanese works refer to these titles as 'H', literally etchi/ecchi. Noted works include To Love Ru, Love Hina and while it is debatable depending on your definition, Futari Ecchi which explicitly describes itself as ecchi in the title. The issue here is that Western and Japanese terms do not agree with one another. It has its own dictionary definition as a subgenre. And is classified at ANN as such. While a little subjective; formal listings could be an easy criteria to cite if you wish. Just don't delete it because its not perfect. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The ANN entry you provided is an unreliable source as it is the encyclopedia part and user edited (WP:OR) as for the dic definition what falls under that definition can be taken many ways. "Characterized by light, playful sexual themes and imagery." Okay how far does light and playful go before it is dubbed hentai? (An example). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The lexicon portion of ANN's encyclopedia is not user edited, but can only be edited by encyclopedia staff. Users can submit suggestions for additions, but cannot add them themselves or change any of the content.  I would probably consider the lexicon to be a reliable source, unlike the main encyclopedia. Calathan (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - While the term ecchi is used by reliable sources, I don't think reliable sources generally classify individual anime as being ecchi. While it would probably be possible to find reliable sources that say a few of the anime on this list are ecchi, I don't think it would be possible to find such sources for most of them.  Basically, I think the list is based on fan classifications or original research, not on reliable sources.  The topic also seems too broad and non-defining of the works in question to be appropriate for a list or category.  Being ecchi is neither a genre nor a subject of the anime, but instead is just a designation that they have sexually suggestive content or nudity (but not enough to be pornography). Calathan (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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