Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of electricians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per NOTDUP, there's nothing inherently wrong with having a category coexist with a list. To those who suggested renaming - I'm a bit wary of using 'notable'. Given Wikipedia's specific definition of notability, and that the list only contains people who have been deemed notable, adding the term seems redundant. That, however, is a discussion which can easily be had on the article's talk page. m.o.p 09:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

List of electricians

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Indiscriminate, not a notable attribute for a list; many people have been electricians and none of these people are notable for being electricians. See WP:NLIST and WP:LISTPEOPLE. I don't see the encyclopediac value of a collection based on former occupations. Wtshymanski (talk) 16:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY  Jay Jay What did I do? 17:35, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Which criterion of WP:NOTDIRECTORY would that be? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How about number 7: "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations". People who used to be electricians hardly seems to be a " sufficient basis to create an article" nor a "culturally significant phenomenon". --Wtshymanski (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A cross-categorization requires two categories to cross with each other. This is a single categorization. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as duplicative of Category:Electricians (which currently contains 43 notable people). I will note, though that for union leaders, and union activists who go into politics, being an electrician may be in fact a notable aspect of their lives. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete suffices. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Categories and lists are complementary and this list is in perfect accordance with WP:NLIST and WP:LISTPEOPLE, so I don't understand how those guidelines can be used to support deletion of this list. As stated by Orange Mike above being an electrician is a notable aspect of many notable people's lives, Lech Wałęsa being the obvious example, so I also don't understand how he comes to the conclusion that this should be deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. This list was created following Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 15. This was subsequently discussed at WP:DRV and Categories for discussion/Log/2012 April 1, at which there was no consensus about the list. IMHO the list should be kept as it presents more information than the category, namely the grounds for the notability achieved by each electrician with an article. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: Please bear in mind WP:NOTDUP when commenting.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Weak delete - mostly in line with Orange Mike  above. For some on the list, being an electrician obviously had some role to play in their notability (like electricity industry unionists-turned-politicians). But for others, the role was inconsequential. It's just a bit too arbitrary for me. For me it's like List of blondes or List of machanics. But I'm not hugely excited by the category either. I just can't see much value in either of them. Stalwart 111  10:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree not all of them belong there; that's a question for editing, as always. Lists and categories are complemenyaty, and the existence of one should be taken as presumptive justification for the existence of the other. It can provide much more relevant information, like what someone did that makes them qualified to be on the list. The argument that categories suffice does not say why they do, or why the argument that the lists give more information is not a good argument.  DGG ( talk ) 16:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Automatic Strikeout  ( T  •  C ) 04:05, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not needed. Category:Electricians does the job just fine. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As has already been pointed out more than once in this discussion, categories and lists are complementary. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:32, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NOTDUP. Then rename the article to List of notable electricians. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * delete Categories and lists are not duplicative. BUT. As a category on a person its very unobtrusive. As a list - this people are not notable for their electrician status. No reason to provide a list otf them this way, especially when it is an entirely blue-linked list with no content, where the category covers the value 100%. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep with the rename of notable, and then trim the list accordingly. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:17, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - see WP:ODD and WP:BARE - notable people who are or were coincidentally electricians could make a good article, if it were sourced. Renaming it, per NA1000, is fine with me. Bearian (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.