Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of entertainers who have performed at the Mall of Asia


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 18:34, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

List of entertainers who have performed at the Mall of Asia

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As per WP:NOTDIR. WP is not a directory of everyone that has performed at a venue. I compare to Events at Madison Square Garden which only notes the most significant events. LibStar (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Keep Performing at a mall is not a defining moment in an entertainer's career, I hope. Kitfoxxe (talk) 20:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Tiffany would consider those fighting words... postdlf (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to KEEP. My bad. I should have found out more about this place before shooting off my comment.  Article is within WP standards.  Sorry to Tiffany too.Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete per Kitfoxxe. La Scala sure, Grand Ole Opry probably, Mall of Asia not so much. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete, as I don't think this is an appropriate topic per WP:SALAT. In order to have a stand-alone list, there needs to be a quality that is noteworthy. At the very least, there should be something in the article of each artist about their performance at the Mall of Asia if this is noteworthy, and that's not the case here. Tavix | Talk  22:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Performing tat the mall does not look notable enough for an article.-- TMD   Talk Page.  03:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This isn't a mall, but a rather large arena adjacent to the mall: the Mall of Asia Arena. Apparently this also includes the concert grounds which holds a much larger amount of people. – H T  D  12:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was off-base with my comment. However the capacity of the arena is only 20,000 and it's only been open 3 years.  I would still say delete.Kitfoxxe (talk) 13:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. They have an outdoor venue too.Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:11, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd understand questions on age, but at ~20,000 capacity, this is one of the largest indoor arenas in the world. Indoor arenas rarely surpass a capacity of 25,000 people. The outdoor concert grounds supposedly hold a lot more people but has now been increasingly depreciated in favor of the arena. – H T  D  14:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * In the USA concerts are often held in baseball stadiums which are much larger. But still any list like this is kind of incidental. Successful performers will play in hundreds of venues over their careers. Anyway there are also at least two other articles on the mall and the arena, so its notability is not in question.Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd say that the "concert grounds" capacity should be equivalent to baseball stadiums. Outdoor stadiums aren't popular in the Philippines, and most outdoor venues are ad hoc, like the "concert grounds". It's just that they don't use that frequently any more ever since they opened the arena. Probably they earn more money indoors. – H T  D  14:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - there really don't seem to be any other "People who performed at Venue X" lists, which would seem to suggest there is no interest in such information. (Interest should probably be the guiding criteria for lists since notability is hard to define: Does the fact that most concerts are reviewed mean a list of concerts by venue is notable?)  Pinging  who accepted this at AfC for input. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:10, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm. It's been over two years since I last gave this article attention, and looking back, I can't say for certain whether or not I would review it in the same way if I were faced with the same submission today. So setting my status as the AfC reviewer aside, here are my thoughts: I wouldn't bank on inclusion as a method for gauging notability; the fact that similar lists do not exist does not necessarily indicate a lack of interest for the subject. Thanks to the fact that most concerts are generally verifiable, it is pretty likely that a reliably sourced list can be created for "entertainers performing at venue X". On the other hand, per WP:NOT, the fact that a subject is verifiable doesn't necessarily mean it is worthy of inclusion. (So no, the fact that most concerts are reviewed does not mean a list of concerts by venue is notable.) WP:LISTN suggests that a list topic is notable if the elements in the list have been discussed in independent reliable sources as a set with each other. Ultimately, the question is whether or not a list of entertainers performing at the Mall of Asia would contribute to our goal of producing a high-quality encyclopedia. I'm personally not sure, but I do note there is a scarcity of evidence to support this article. Mz7 (talk) 01:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as per the following precedents: List of concerts at Barclays Center, List of concerts in Hyde Park, List of concerts at Parken Stadium and List of concerts at NDK, Sofia.--RioHondo (talk) 08:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason for keeping. LibStar (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Those other stuff are so many that it has become commonplace in Wikipedia for articles on notable venues. List of events at the Jacksonville Coliseum, List of events at Tele2 Arena, List of events at Wrigley Field, List of performances at The Little Theatre on the Square, List of music concerts at the Millennium Stadium, List of music concerts at the National Stadium, Cardiff Arms Park, List of concerts held at El Campin Stadium, List of events held at Warner Bros. Movie World, List of events held in the Stožice Arena, List of events held in Kombank Arena, List of events held at Simon Bolivar Park. With the venue here being among the world's 25 largest indoor arenas, it should be easy to see why this should also have its own list.--RioHondo (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I'm definitely going to nominate The Little Theatre on the Square for extinction. It literally is a little theatre. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Broaden list to List of events held at Mall of Asia or "...the Mall of Asia complex" and keep. The early opposition was based largely on a misunderstanding based on the name of the venue.  As noted, this isn't a mall in the typical sense, but rather one of the world's largest indoor stadiums.  Googling, a see a wide variety of events have been held at the MOA complex including concerts, major sporting events, Guinness World Record attempts, visting from the pope, a celebrity wedding, and more.  Certainly there are plenty of notable events that warrant commentary (as is the case for the majority of RioHondo's examples) to justify a list article. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:59, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per ThaddeusB. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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