Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of erotic romance authors


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. In addition to the arguments raised by the delete comments below, which touch on the guidelines as set out by WP:LIST, as an administrator I have additional concerns about the way in which this list is being compiled--getting other authors to write about themselves is the very essence of self-promotion. That being said, as an editor I believe that a similar list could potentially be viable, and so I will gladly provide the deleted content for userfication per request on my talk page. -- jonny - m t  04:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

List of erotic romance authors

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Speedied, removed by article creator, prodded (by me) which removed again by article's creator, list includes 2 bluelinks, one to the article's creator (and is subject to a prod at present) and the other blue link is to an actress not a writer. Vanity list Richhoncho (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Vanity list indeed, mostly red links and no set criteria. Is writing one dirty novel enough to make it here? Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually, Bobby, I've published 13 books, three by one of the largest publishers in the U.S.(St. Martin's Press) and two more contracted with them. I would think that, as a representative of Wikipedia, it is inappropriate of you to attempt to diminish anyone's work by using derogatory terms such as "dirty book", especially with respect to a body of work as popular in current culture as erotic romance.ElizabethBC (talk) 04:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Looks like a vanity arbitrarily assembled list whose composition also has a wiff of OR. Nsk92 (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Erotic romance is a relatively new subgenre of romance and is growing rapidly in popularity.  Most major publishers (including St. Martin's Press. Berkley Books, Avon (publishers)) are publishing these books.  It’s not clear to me why it is not considered appropriate for Wikipedia while other more obscure genres are.  The fact that one author was linked to an actress was an error, but I did include a citation which showed the author’s profile page on the Romantic Times Bookreviews magazine, the major source of book reviews in the romance industry.  I have added two new authors to the list who are both bestselling authors and have bio pages in Wikipedia.  Since this is a list, it will take time to fill it out, but I am adding authors as I have time and I will be letting others in the industry know so the list can build more quickly.  ElizabethBC (talk) 03:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 13:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Romantic fiction comprises more than 50% of mass market sales in today's market, and of that 50% sales figure, erotic romance encompasses a large percentage of mass market number. The romance authors in the list are attempting to connect the Romance Wikipedia with the main Wikipedia to provide easy access to romance readers who are seeking information on author bios, awards, back lists and series title information who might not otherwise be familiar with Romance Wiki, but are familiar with the main Wikipedia. The comment referring to a "dirty book" indicates a lack of understanding on the part of the poster in terms of the use of sex in a romantic fictional work. Despite the continued misunderstanding of some, romance is a strong force in the publishing industry and erotic romance is a significant part of the romance genre. We will work to have an article developed that defines erotic romance vs. erotica that the author list can connect too. As Ms. Carew indicated, the list and articles take time to develop as do many articles found on Wikipedia.Kscearce (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment This is a list, which was created by one person to increase their own internet profile, there is no associated article to go with the list, there are a number of either unreferenced articles, Erotic romance novels, or turned into a redirect, Erotic romance, Erotic fiction, or even plain redlinks Erotic Romance. At no point have the claims made that 25% of sales are "erotic romance" been substantiated by a verifiable link. I am prepared to change my mind, but I'd like to see an associated article which is referenced - Give us the facts and not the spamlinks and I would be happy to change my mind. Especially as I know there are quite a few writers of this genre (whatever its correct title is) at WP --Richhoncho (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.rwanational.org/cs/the_romance_genre/romance_literature_statistics Please bear with me as my writing ability far exceeds my understanding of how things work here on wiki. We (Opal and I) are still working on getting authors to fill out a bio and to add their name to the list. I've been able to herd cats better than writers who are always on deadline.Kscearce (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * CommentI created a stand alone article called Erotic Romance, which varies from the definition listed in the main Romance genre article. I will add a link to RWA's website with the appropriate stats for the article and will edit the list to reflect both the erotic romance article, the romance article and the stats. Please note that the link to the stats reference dollar amounts and percentages for the year 2006. This is due to the delays in number gathering from major NY houses. ePublishing is generally a lot quicker than NY publisher by the very nature of the business model. Also, my reference to 50% is based on data earlier than 2006. I should not have used that number. However, the 2006 numbers show that in the US romance outsells all categories with the exception of Religion/Inspirational books. While the 2006 numbers do not accurately reflect the erotic romance subgenre, it's still quite new in terms of NY imprints and publication. It's only been since 2005 that NY actually actively pursued erotic romance as a viable subgenre, which evolved from ePublishing. This is the link to the stats number that I'll include in the article.


 * Comment Adding the names of people who are not notable enough to have a WP article does not make this a stand alone list. Nor does adding the external links at the bottom, please see WP:SPAM. Furthermore, the statistics from the link are not the same figures as you gave earlier --Richhoncho (talk) 10:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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