Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ethnic conflicts involving the British Empire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 03:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

List of ethnic conflicts involving the British Empire
It is pointless and practically a waste of space as it only includes a list and practically no information. None of such facts that UK triggered these conflicts can be proved. Secondly such information can be included on articles for those nations involved or on articles specifically for the each nations ethnic conflict. CooldogCongo 03:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Random and context free. Choalbaton 03:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Olorin28 04:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete *in my Biff Tannen voice*, "Listcruft. I hate listcruft" Reyk 06:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to recreation if a more scholarly basis for this list can be found. As it is, smacks of being a personal list --- Charles Stewart 16:50, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as it is. I would vote to keep if the article had more context, or contained links to articles ABOUT each conflict in question, rather than (as we generally have here) a link for one party to the conflict, a link to another party, and a link for the geographic region where the conflict occurred. AndyJones 17:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article is no good now... the Brits had some important role to play in ethnic disputes in their empire. gren グレン 18:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually, that'd be a good article, not a good list. gren グレン 18:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Note that there is a precedent here, and that is to keep: the related List of ethnic conflicts involving the Dutch Colonialists survived AfD in November (debate). My vote here is the same as there: the subject is encyclopedic, so this should be kept if it is cleaned up and rewritten as prose. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 18:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd be much better disposed to these lists if they linked to articles that were about the conflict, rather than to pairs of articles about the participants more generally. As it stands, both of these lists have a tendency to be whimsical and unverifiable. --- Charles Stewart 18:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's better than List of ethnic conflicts involving the Dutch Colonialists and that was kept. Rhion 21:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a longer list, but, unlike the Dutch list, it has entries with no links to support the claims. Take the 2nd line: The country article Peninsular Malaysia does not mention the ethnic conflict, nor do the two ethnicity articles, Han Chinese (which doesn't even mention the British Empire), the Malay people article mentions Chinese but no conflict.
 * Similar issues exist for the other article, but that's not an argument to keep an article we think should be deleted. If we are bothered by the inconsistency, we could raise the matter on WP:DRV --- Charles Stewart 22:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete listcruft. This is POV, poorly defined, and unmaintainable.Gateman1997 21:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep (or merge into British Empire (Aftermath)) if improved to provide evidence and counter-arguments in each case. A list on this subject is in itself appropriate because the (disputed) question is whether there is a common pattern of ethnic conflicts in the ex-colonies. Did the (undisputed) British policy of "divide-and-rule" between different ethnic/religious groups in the colonies create a legacy of bitterness which led directly to civil wars in the newly-independent countries? As such you need a central list somewhere not just references country-by-country. Jameswilson 23:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It sounds more to me that you are arguing for a List of lists of ethnic conflicts involving colonial rule together with some related article on the aftermath of colonial periods. --- Charles Stewart 23:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, something like that! Ex-colonies have a common legacy (eg legal systems). Is this another part of the legacy in the case of the British Empire. I think an improved article on this would merit a place somewhere. I cant be bothered to hunt around now but there is certainly a lot of academic debate on this point. Jameswilson 23:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment following Jameswilson's post: If someone would make a credible offer to properly check and vet this list so that I could be confident the list was not slanted and tricky to verify, then I would change my vote to keep. --- Charles Stewart 23:50, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete POV potential is huge...--MONGO 02:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as unencyclopedic, can be specifically addressed in articles. Jtmichcock 02:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete among other things, it doesn't even link to articles about conflicts--Ajdz 08:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: low quality, topic not suitable for lists. Pavel Vozenilek 21:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.