Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ethnic groups with a larger diaspora population than their countries of origin


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The result was   delete.  Jamie ☆ S93  22:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

List of ethnic groups with a larger diaspora population than their countries of origin

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WP:OR by WP:SYNTH (novel categorization/grouping). The list contents are valid (just doing math with cited data) but the topic itself is not citedly notable. There's also no citation for the hypothesized reasons (which are two separate issues: diffusion across border vs longer-distance/more abrupt displacement). Maybe some geopolitical/humanities folks know of some studies of these trends? DMacks (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Interesting topic for an article elsewhere, but not suitable for Wikipedia. Pburka (talk) 18:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is massive amounts of literature about how the drawing of borders affects ethnic identity, but this is a completely flawed approach based on an imaginary world of pure nation-states. Without a firm definition of which cross-border ethnic groups "belong" to which countries, this is inevitably WP:OR. For example, why should Tajikistan be considered the "motherland" and Afghanistan the "diaspora" for Tajiks? Simply because the former has "Tajik" in its name? Why not Uzbekistan, since the standard language of Tajikistan is based on the Bukhara dialect? And are the non-Persian-speaking Tajiks of Xinjiang part of that "diaspora"? What do you do with ethnic groups like the Nanai people whose urheimat is split across the boundaries of two multi-ethnic countries, in neither of which they are the "titular nationality"? Which Mongolic-speaking groups "belong" to Mongolia? Which Turkic-speaking groups "belong" to Turkey? Et cetera. cab (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - more WP:LISTCRUFT in the same vein of this beastie. Please, no more of these, Montemonte. -- Scjessey (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete ethnic "identity" is a very tricky one, and this list just sheds more confusion than knowledge, and inevitably so. No way to do this neutrally and encyclopedically usefully, will constantly be comparing apples and oranges, etc...Bali ultimate (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree, it's WP:LISTCRUFT Niteshift36 (talk) 07:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep useful list, but add some reference into the list.
 * Delete. I'd bet Britain has a larger diaspora than its population too. And the Vikings, as they settled in North-East England and Normandy. How far back do we go? This list isn't of much use, as ethnic groups aren't well-enough tracked to cite this information reliably. Fences and windows (talk) 21:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The title of the article, refers to an important sociological issue. Kasaalan (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.