Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ethnic stereotypes (2nd nomination)

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The result of the debate was Speedy deleted by SWAdair. Rje 14:22, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

List of ethnic stereotypes
Last VfD had 60% delete - Votes for deletion/List of ethnic stereotypes. Hopelessly POV, among many other issues. At best, these should be merged with their appropriate countries/ethnicities.


 * Delete Ryan Norton T 09:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What a mess. Coffee 09:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but develop it further. By its nature, it depends on POV, which makes it a quirky sociological anomaly at WP.  Paul Klenk 09:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Neutrality in question. 09:40, 27 August 2005 (UTC) (unsigned vote from 202.156.2.123)
 * Delete. "I can't believe they kept it!", he says, shaking his head in dismay.  900% of all edits (yes, that many) have simply been anonymous users popping in and adding their favourite idiotic stereotype as their only ever edit; page is inherently POV; finally, I have a philosophical objection to pages where the vandalism and the legitimate edits cannot be told apart. --fuddlemark 10:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong delete. This has no references for anything and violates the no original bullshit policy. Uppland 10:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. "Hair smells like wet dog" heh... Roodog2k 14:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete fuddlemark's last reason and Uppland's reasons are compelling. Plus I'm pretty sure the U.S. isn't the only place where ethnic stereotypes, which means if this list could be formulated in a way that didn't have the aforementioned problems, it would have to cover stereotypes world-wide, at which point I believe it would run afoul of WP:NOT Sec. 1.7.2: No Lists of Loosely Associated Topics, as the only thing every ethnic stereotype in the world has in common is that it's an ethnic stereotype, and when you're talking on a global scale, I think that qualifies as a loose association.  The Literate Engineer 14:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Heck, I may be just a grumpy mean Scotsman, but this seems inherently POV, unsourced, unverifiable, and an editwar waiting to happen. (PS, another grump, I don't like these organised votes - this should be a discussion aimed at concensus, not a partisan poll!) --Doc (?) 14:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete silly, pointless, waste of time, BS topic. Doc: grumpy, mean and Scotsman, aren't they redundant? ;) Dottore So 15:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . POV, unverifiable, unscientific, below average IQ, smelly article. Manik Raina 15:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - some of the stereotypes listed here are encyclopedic, but can really only be fairly covered in the context of a proper, well-rounded article about the ethnic group in question - and I'm willing to bet that all of the encyclopedic content here already is in those articles. Breaking it out into a context-free list form like this just isn't a useful, neutral way to present this information.  CDC   (talk)  17:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible Delete. Cannot ever be NPOV and the subject isn't encyclopedic at all. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong (but not strongest possible) Keep. "Inherently POV" doesn't mean it must be deleted.  Should I vfd Abortion just because it's never likely to be completely NPOV?  No; doing so would be WP:POINT.  Whether or not people like the subject matter of this article, it's still encyclopedic because it is an interesting sociological anomaly, and it also gives further clues about why racists hate certain kinds of people.  (Save your Strongest possible delete for articles that can kill people.) --Idont Havaname  (Sorry, I realized my vote was sort of violating WP:POINT in itself, so I have struck part of it.  I essentially meant "Strong keep per Paul Klenk". --Idont Havaname 18:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC))
 * Keep- one of the best things about Wikipedia is its ability to cover topics that wouldn't appear in a regular scholarly encyclopedia (pop culture, etc.) Like it or not, this page does represent an aspect of society that people may want to look up.  Furthermore, on the issue of its inherent POV-ness, it's sort of an equal-opportunity offender, so it's not slanted against any one group in particular.  --PatadyBag 18:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The problem with this list is not that it covers POVs, but that it is entirely POV. An article reporting on ethnic stereotypes, putting them in some kind of context and giving references, would not be a problem. As a worst-case solution, if the current garbage ends up getting kept, I suggest cleansing this page of every stereotype which does not have a citation to support its existence. Uppland 19:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree with you that the article could and should be a lot better. A lot of it is poorly organized and poorly typed almost to the point of patent nonsense; at any rate, it's far from being up to our usual standards.  With your suggestion, I'm just somewhat concerned that we might run into the article becoming a collection of external links.  --Idont Havaname 20:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. Totally unsourced. Furthermore, potentially infinitely long, given the bar for inclusion. Fillipinos "get excited at meeting other Fillipinos"? Huh? Sdedeo 20:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No references, many are just abject silliness if not patent nonsense. Can never pass WP:NPOV. ESkog 20:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and work on cleanup into a more useful article. It need not be completely POV; it's certainly possible to determine whether or not a meme is widely held, otherwise we wouldn't be able to determine which urban legends are notable and which aren't.  And the article is quite useful for the reasons Idont havaname mentioned above. Penelope D 23:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Total claptrap
 * Strong Delete This is inaccurate, biased, useless.
 * Delete - unverified info, may make people mad. However, although we do have a list of ethnic slurs, but this one is POV and unverified. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 19:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - As much as I hate to say it, most of these are widely pervasive and well-known stereotypes. Much of it was offensive, but it would be a very bland world if anything offensive was censored.  There was enough truth (or at minimum common misconception) to merit a keep.  Also agree with PatadyBag regarding Wiki as a repository for things that wouldn never make it in a traditional encyclopedia. -PlainSight 21:47, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete No sources, and it manages to offend everyone.  Seriously, how far can one go?  Can I just go to an ethnicity and add things about it (like one said "have sexual attraction toward goats")?Amren (talk)  21:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, recreation of deleted content. Nominator points out the first vfd, but not the second, which resulted in the article's deletion. &mdash;Cryptic (talk) 23:30, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cryptic - there was no mention of it on the talk page that I saw so I had no idea :). I saw it had many deleted edits... should have looked at those first... Ryan Norton T 00:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * NB: when WP:CSD was changed after Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal, the criterion allowing the speedy deletion of recreated deleted content was changed to say that only substantially identical copies of deleted content can be speedied. Is the current revision a substantially identical copy? --Idont Havaname 01:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Pick and choose the goofiest entries (so, wait...I'm genetically predisposed to liking grape juice?), add them to BJAODN, and delete the page. --FuriousFreddy 15:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete.  ral  315  17:58, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedily Deleted as a recreation of VfD'd article. See Votes for deletion/List of ethnic stereotypes 2.  SWAdair | Talk 19:37, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
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