Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of famous young-earth Creationists


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The result of the debate was Delete. enochlau (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

List of famous young-earth Creationists
This list is inherently POV, factually innaccurate and not worthy of inclusion. We already have a List of Young Earth Creationists which are most of the modern players. This is different it is a list of supposedly famous scientists of the past who were young earth creationists (Oh and bizarrely, two famous actors and a deceased astronaut). Probably sourced from Henry M. Morris, (though not even Morris was foolish enough to include the actors, darling). Note young earth creationists, not creationists, which is interesting because Answers in Genesis identify Agassiz as an "old earth compromiser".

Anyway, basically it's an appeal to authority, made even better because dead people can't protest. Given the lack of evidence in favour young earth creationism, they do resort to such silly lists. Mosts of them aren't even biologists, though to the credit of this list it excludes those who died before the 1858 publication of Darwin and Wallace. However the modern YECist movement arose in the 1960s (led by aformentioned the hydraulic engineer Morris) in response to the secularisation of society and all (apart from the actors and astronaut) predate this.

Some on the list are demonstrably false; see There have been many famous scientists who believed in special creation in the past and the subclaims relating to Babbage, Fabre, Kelvin and Pasteur. The rest I don't know so much about (except for Mendel and he most probably was't), and given the propensities of the YECists to bearing false witness, proper secular references are in order, and they are missing. &mdash; Dunc|&#9786; 21:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

quote "Given the lack of evidence in favour young earth creationism, they do resort to such silly lists." unquote. Could we please try to stick to neutral terms on AfDs. One persons silly list is another persons time and effort (and possibly quite a lot of both) putting said list online. Jcuk 23:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom...see | talk origins.org Jim62sch 22:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. There needs to be very clear verifiable evidence provided before such a list can be created, especially when listing people who are no longer alive. As nom indicates, many of these people died before the YEC movement arose. That means that the list risks being anachronistic; it is probablw that few of these people woudl have been aware of the contemporary debate, and so claiming them for one side or another can only be done with clear evidence. This list is not appropriate to Wiki. JGF Wilks 22:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete since almost all entries are unverifiable and the very term "famous" is inherently POV. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px| ]] AfD? 23:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge into List of Young Earth Creationists : WP guidelines already state that we do not need to add "famous" to list titles, as it is implied already. The criteria seems fairly tight: if entries do not belong (and there is only one redlink), remove them. If not merged, keep delete. Turnstep 01:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * After visiting some of the links, changing from merge/keep to merge/delete. Turnstep 00:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Already have a list. --24.12.29.115 03:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as POV article duplication -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 06:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thesquire. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There's no way to know what any of the deceased people on the list would think of the modern issue. Might as well also list them as "people who refused to watch TV." Mark K. Bilbo 16:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as an anachronism and a POV fork. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 21:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, inaccurate, misleading, and POV. WarriorScribe 04:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.