Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fellows of IEEE Power & Energy Society


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There are some valid concerns raised about inclusion and naming, but there is no conensus to delete this list. Equally, there isn't a strong consensus present to keep the material, however a no consensus defaults to the content being kept. Star  Mississippi  16:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

List of fellows of IEEE Power & Energy Society

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A list of one entry is not a list, this list article seems pointless, wikipedia is not a directory. Article fails WP:NLIST. Govvy (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 19:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Expanded list of IEEE fellows (added 20 out of 572) of the society. Noted all entries passes WP:NACADEMIC point 3 which will passes WP:NLIST. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 15:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Question NACADEMIC is a personal criteria for each person, how is that verifiable in a list when none of these people have an article. This is highly suspect keep vote if you ask me! :/ Govvy (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Does an article makes a person notable or a notable person makes an article? If the article does not exist, does it make the people less notable (by wiki standards)? The reasoning here is that every academic in this currently small list is notable based on NACADEMIC point 3. The reference for each and single academic's notability is in the single source in the list article. Since notability of each entry is established, this is a list of notable academics which passes NLIST of a notable group. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * My other concern is that the article is just a mirror directory of the website used as the source. And we clearly have WP:NOTDIR. Govvy (talk) 16:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If you look at WP:NOTDIR, this list actually does not falls within the 7 points. While it may looks like a mirror directory, looking at wikipedia without comparing to other websites, it is just another list article listing notable academics within a particular society of an association. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 16:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 08:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep People on the list will either have articles or deserve them, and the criterion for inclusion in this list is absolutely unambiguous, so the list as a whole is fine. (Some of the other pages in Category:Lists of IEEE fellows have more bluelinks; the only trouble with this page is that it could stand to have more of them, and that's very fixable.) WP:NOTDIR is not applicable; this isn't the kind of "directory" described there. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTMIRROR. If completed, this list will pretty much just be a replica of the IEEE site which, aside from the risk of being a copyright violation, is not what Wikipedia is for. The information is already available online and is not encyclopaedic. The category is sufficient for navigational purposes. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, but correct the name to something like List of IEEE fellows (Power & Energy Society). These people are not fellows of the IEEE Power & Energy Society, they are fellows of the IEEE who also belong to the a particular society within the IEEE. The individual societies have committees which evaluate members for fellowship, but the the elevation to fellow is done by a committee of the IEEE itself. We have dozens of lists like this in Category:Lists of members of learned societies. A decision not to have lists like this would need a centrally advertised RfC rather than a discussion at AfD. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Good points. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 20:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete there are something like 6500 IEEE fellows currently, and that number grows substantially every year. Even split 40 ways, these lists are long and don't feel like a particularly defining attribute.  If they are a useful as a directory of redlinks of notable academics, they can be kept in project space. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 22:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There are nine on the list that have their own articles. Doesn't matter though, this is notable achievement in their field, so the list is valid.  Category:Lists of members of learned societies show how common these lists are.  If you don't think any of them should exist, start a discussion somewhere to gain proper community consensus.   D r e a m Focus  07:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:NLIST. Looks like everyone on the list passes WP:NACADEMIC notability. I see a few in that list that should have articles written about them! DavidDelaune (talk) 11:38, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks independent WP:RS supporting that the topic meets WP:NLIST. Also, notability is inherited from Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.