Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of female performers in lesbian porn films


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The strong consensus is that this list is largely a duplicate of a list of female porn actresses, and that the great overlap makes this list unnecessary. There is room for a list of actresses who have only performed in lesbian porn... perhaps. But that is not the list in question here. All-in-all, this list has a strong consensus in favour of deletion. Courcelles 04:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

List of female performers in lesbian porn films

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This article was presumably created as a mirror of List of male performers in gay porn films. However, we have that article and not this one for a reason; the same reason we have Category:People appearing in gay pornography, but deleted Category:People appearing in lesbian pornography. From the CFD nomination for that category: 'Most female participants in pornography will typically appear in lesbian scenes; in time I would expect this category and Category:Female porn stars to be near mirror images of each other.' I believe the same applies to this article; it could contain almost every female porn performer. It only contains two names at the moment, but could easily be extended indefinitely. Robofish (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Wow, two names -- what an outstanding list! Beyond the utter incompetence of this list, what constitutes a "film"? What constitutes a "lesbian performance"? And why the hell does Wikipedia have a BLP catastrophe waiting to happen with a list like "People appearing in gay pornography"? This sort of thing must be TIGHTLY sourced or there may well be monstrous legal ramifications, I venture. It is time to stop making WP Your One-Stop Source for Pornographic Information. This is a fucking encyclopedia, not an encyclopedia of fucking.  Carrite (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't need any sources to confirm they work in porn for the list article, just sources in their main article the list is linking to. Although it'd be easy enough, if that was any real concern, to copy over a reference from their main articles to there.  And Wikipedia does not censor itself, it here to include the sum of all human knowledge.  Pornographic articles should be treated the same as any other.   D r e a m Focus  04:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete -- per arguments at Articles for deletion/List of actresses in the MILF porn genre. I've appended a group of similar lists if anyone cares to deal with it.Bali ultimate (talk) 18:12, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) List of African-American pornographic actors
 * 2) List of Asian pornographic actors
 * 3) List of British pornographic actors
 * 4) List of pornographic actresses by decade
 * 5) List of male performers in gay porn films
 * 6) List of pornographic actors who appeared in mainstream films
 * Delete A potential BLP concern, although with proper sourcing that's not necessarily a reason to delete. I fail to see how it's encyclopedic though, as acting in "lesbian" porn is hardly a defining moment for porn actresses. To me, this looks like WP:IINFO. It's also not a mirror of List of male performers in gay porn films, since the vast, vast majority of "lesbian" porn films are not aimed at lesbian audiences and cannot be considered "gay porn" in any way. I'm also not quite sure why User:Suomi Finland 2009 (the article creator) felt compelled to change (and break) the reference with this edit, to make it read "examiner.cum". Was that a joke?-- Beloved Freak  20:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a joke but WP software would not allow that link despite my anti-virus software saying it is safe.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  --  Beloved  Freak  20:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  --  Beloved  Freak  23:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Probably the terms could be defined and everything adequately sourced such that BLP is not a problem, but I don't know that it's worth it. The other lists Bali ultimate calls similar don't strike me as similar enough to bundle them; and that gay porn list has gone through 7 AfDs already! Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 00:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:04, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with nom. Most female porn stars appear in lesbian scenes. Epbr123 (talk) 09:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * From a google search, there appears to be some female porn stars that refuse to do scenes with men.


 * Delete. Nom is generally accurate, and list inherently lacks well-defined inclusion criteria. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:42, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep according to WP:SimilarTreatmentIsOkay I am not an expert in this field but I have heard of female performers that will only perform in lesbian films. I cannot think of any names because I do not watch these.  This article and the article "list of male performers in gay film" should BOTH be kept or deleted.  There should be careful consideration of both of these articles and the same treatment applied to both.  In Wikipedia, there is too much drama where people choose one set of rules and ignore conflicting rules.  There should be a systematic way on how to consider conflicting rules and varying treatment.  After all, you would not like it if you were jailed for trying to follow one rule but not another (the worst example are articles of people with much coverage but known for one thing; there are plenty of AFD on that type of article)


 * When googling "lesbian porn", it exists. Google shows up spunkzone.com which says "This site contains explicit lesbian porn material which may be offensive to some viewers. You must be at least 18 years of age (21 according to U.S. or any ..."
 * According to that source, it means that lesbian porn does exists and not just lesbian acts for heterosexual porn.
 * Google also list a website called pornstarslick.com, which is characterized as "WELCOME TO THE WEB'S FIRST PORNSTAR LESBIAN SITE. The Muffia Team put this site together for surfers that wanted to see the most beautiful girls..."
 * (joke) As they often say on the internet, "if there aren't pictures, it didn't happen"
 * Further research on google shows that actress Sunny Leone only did lesbian films for some time and refused to work with male actors until later in her career.

Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Similar treatment is okay is an essay (by you) that doesn't address any of the concerns raised here. Also, I don't think anyone here has said that lesbian porn (which ever way it's defined) does not exist.-- Beloved Freak  21:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete too broad and essentially useless and a near mirror of any list or category of female porn stars, as most female porn stars will perform sexual acts with women. i WOULD support a list of actresses who ONLY perform lesbian scenes, as that would be notable. Oh, and dont google lesbian pron, you'll go blind...Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This may help http://www.afterellen.com/node/294 It is a discussion about lesbian porn. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I was contacted by email by the creator of this page. So, while I would vote keep, you probably shouldn't count me.  It is notable as heck, though. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 03:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Lesbian porn is a real thing, easily verified, and this is a list of notable people involved in it. The fact that the list is currently short isn't relevant, nor anyone's displeasure at there being so many sex related articles on Wikipedia.  There are obviously a lot more names that could be added in.   D r e a m Focus  04:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment With respect to the comments about notability, obviously I can't speak for others participating here, but I am certainly not denying the notability of lesbian porn, both in the world of "straight porn", and porn that is aimed at lesbians. It's definitely notable. But is performing girl-on-girl scenes actually a defining enough thing in the careers of porn actresses? I don't think this list as it stands is encyclopedic. We don't have an article on lesbian pornography, but a section in Lesbianism in erotica states that "Most porn actresses perform in sex scenes with other women at least occasionally." If that is true and verifiable (currently uncited), then where's the encyclopedic value of this list? The bottom line of the point I'm trying to make is that, unlike gay porn, lesbian porn is just a genre of mainstream porn, so this list is similar to List of actresses in the MILF porn genre. And no, I'm not calling for less sex on Wikipedia, just fewer unencyclopedic articles.-- Beloved  Freak  09:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Its a notable genre, quite well established. Its valid just as List of male performers in gay porn films is.  MILF isn't clearly defined as a genre, so that's a totally different issue.   D r e a m Focus  17:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for Rescue by the Article Rescue Squadron, with no explanation as to why this article should be rescued and how that could happen (per ARS instructions).    Snotty Wong   spill the beans 16:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I did leave a reason for me adding it.   D r e a m Focus  17:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The vast majority of female porn stars would appear in this list.  Therefore, it is duplicative.  If this were a list of female porn stars that exclusively create lesbian porn films (and are known for that, per reliable sources), then it might be a different story.    Snotty Wong   spill the beans 16:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps call it a List of lesbian pornographic movies that notable pornographic actresses have stared in then. Same information listed.  How many notable porn actresses have done lesbian films?  Do you believe its even half of them? [List of pornographic actresses by decade]   D r e a m Focus  17:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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 * Delete a list for list's sake is not necessary. create a category if necessary. Dream Focus logic is flawed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.251.42 (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Another anonymous IP address, which makes no edits anywhere, except in AFD I participate in, mentioning me by name each time. Seems like the same person.   D r e a m Focus  10:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete As has been mentioned already, most female porn actresses are in lesbian porn films. If it was List of female porn actresses who only perform in lesbian porn films, it would make more sense, but even that would be stretching it, I think --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 19:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Tabercil (talk) 21:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per others. Wikipedia is not endless lists. why don't we create lists of notable everything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.112.180.221 (talk) 13:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
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