Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional Elvis impersonators


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus keep. While I found the arguments for deletion strong (and struggled to find any arguments for keeping at all), there is clearly a strong contingent of people who feel the article should be kept. It can still be merged with Elvis impersonator or similar at a later date, mind you. Before saving this edit, and getting on with finishing the procedure for closing an AfD, I thought it would be appropriate to clear up some misinterpretations of the AfD process. Ready?
 * 1) AfD is not a vote.
 * 2) You are obliged to explain your "votes", otherwise they may not be counted.
 * 3) A vote tally at the top is inappropriate and silly.  It gives the people discussing the article (not all of whom will be experienced enough with AfD to realise it's not a vote) the wrong idea, and puts undue pressure on the closing admin to count votes without engaging his/her brain.
 * 4) Well done to User:Just zis Guy, you know? for eventually pointing out the exact policy-based reasons for nominating the article for deletion.  That's a step most people (myself included) don't usually bother to take, and it's quite refreshing.
 * 5) Any questions and/or abuse, I have a talkpage. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 16:00, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

List of fictional Elvis impersonators
Current: Keep: 7 Delete: 3 Merge: 3

This is liscruft gone mad! A list of fictional characters who impersonate a dead singer at some point, even if they only do it once? Come on, poeple! Homer SImpson is not real! Sorry to be the one to have to break it to you, but in the context of an encyclopaedia the fact that he once "impersonated elvis" is so far below the level of significance as to be indistinguishable with the naked eye! Take it to Wikicities or some place, please! Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 23:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

(Clarification: for the avoidance of doubt, grounds for nomination is WP:ISNOT)
 * Delete. This is worse than the List of cultural references in Pokemon (or what its name was). Pilatus 23:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, this listcruft is getting out of control.Gateman1997 00:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pavel Vozenilek 01:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. -- JJay 02:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Any hints as to why, please? - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 09:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * See no valid grounds for deletion. I also object to your approach. -- JJay 18:08, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think there are valid grounds for deletion - this is (to my mind) an indiscriminate collection of information, and unencyclopaedic in concept. It's trivia.  But it's more that there are no valid grounds for inclusion, as far as I'm ocncerned.  As to "objecting to my approach", I don't know what that is supposed to mean, other than an assumption by you of bad faith.  I'm sure that's not what you're saying, so please clarify. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 18:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I see a list that's been around for 15 months with numerous contributing editors. They evidently saw some significance for the info. Then you show up and nom for AfD, without any preliminary message on talk page, without looking for a possible merge for the info or new direction for the list. This was not a vandal page or hoax, which might justify that type of rush to AfD. I strongly oppose this approach, because it insults the intelligence of certain contributors and drives them away from Wikipedia. I therefore vote keep. -- JJay 19:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I see your point. On the other hand, there is a large community of people who seem to view Wikipedia as a place to store trivia.  Out of interest, have you ever tried persuading the contributors on a list-of-fictional-trivia to do something else with it?  I'm curious.  Personally I could not see anything much which could be done with this, but then I am very much in favour of "real" information and I'm not a fan of WP being primarily an encyclopaedia of teenage male fiction and pursuits.  Perhaps I'm pushing water uphill, I don't know. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - Elvis is a significant person who already has various articles (like Elvis sighting) about him. There is nothing wrong with trivia. -Litefantastic 00:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nobody said Elvis was not significant. On the other hand, Elvis impersonators are not generally notable and fictional Elvis impersonators probably less so. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 11:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I repeat: there is nothing wrong with trivia. Also those of us who vote 'keep' really shouldn't have to justify ourselves to you. We say yes, you say no, let's leave it at that and see who wins. -Litefantastic 20:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's expected that those who vote, give reasons. And yes there is something wrong with trivia: WP:ISNOT an indiscriminate collection of information. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no obligation to give a reason when voting. You know that. Did you ask Pavel Vozenilek for his reasons?-- JJay 22:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No, because I wasn't trying to find out from him if there was some angle or evidence I'd missed. Believe it or not I do my best to be open minded in these debates, and I do sometimes change my mind. I also don't usually vote on something I've nominated. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 22:58, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Look I respect you, particularly the part about not voting on your own noms. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. But in the present case, let's not be too disingenuous- nothing will get you to change your mind about this List. -- JJay 23:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You may well be right. I don't know, I have a large capacity for self-delusion in that respect.  I certainly see no problem with some of these being mentioned in Elvis impersonator. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 14:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep: of course. Could be useful. Certainly interesting trivia if nothing more. Danny 00:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . The fact that there are impersonators is probably the only thing worth mentioning in an encyclopedia. — Jeandré, 2005-12-15t10:56z
 * Perhaps in Elvis impersonator? - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 14:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * After seeing that article, I'm changing my vote to merge and redirect to Elvis impersonator. — Jeandré, 2005-12-15t16:14z
 * I'd go along with that. Daibhid C 21:00 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually so would I. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 23:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep I found this list very interesting and well-worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia.  Grue   22:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - there's way more Elvis impersonators out there though, this is a pretty pathetic list. But I guess it could be expanded in to something more useful. Zordrac  (talk) Wishy Washy  Darwikinian Eventualist 06:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Er, Zordrac? You do know this is the list of fictional Elvis inmpersonators, don't you?  Real ones are at Elvis impersonator. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 10:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep - not quite worthy of a merge, IMO, as it is a plain old list, and I like to keep those separated from articles whenever possible. Not "indiscriminate", therefore keep.Turnstep 23:12, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.