Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional Medal of Honor recipients (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete ck lostsword•T•C 23:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

List of fictional Medal of Honor recipients
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Page is compromised of WP:OR and does not serve any encyclopedic value. Original AFD survived as most keep votes were because "it's interesting" Article should be deleted -- su mn ji m  talk with me·changes 19:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails the 'Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information...' test. Utterly unreferenced, too. Terraxos 01:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep under the theory that winning the Medal of Honor is an important plot point within the fiction. But I'm not going to kick my feet and cry if this goes, even if I did work on it. Otto4711 02:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete I know there needs to be more of an argument, and that (as set out in WP:IDONTLIKEIT), one needs more than their personal feeling on something like this. As best, it's a crufty list of blue-links and names, with no clue as to what fictional accomplishments earned them a fictional medal of honor, which is dull in any list.  Notwithstanding that, however, a list like this cheapens the real Medal of Honor, which has been earned by the recipient the fictional characters have had a Medal written for them as character development.  If there was a "List of fictional brave people" that would be bad enough, just for its cruftiness alone.  A "List of fictional people who died in Vietnam" would be slightly offensive; a list of fictional Medal of Honor recipients is worst of all.  Send this one away.  Mandsford 03:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - addressing specifically the "cheapens" aspect of your argument, I find that unacceptably POV here. A list of fictional charatcers who have done or achieved a particular feat has no impact on real people who have done the same feat. Otto4711 03:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Response You are correct, Otto... as noted in my intro, I concede that I need more than my POV in this one. True, nothing can "cheapen" the Medal of Honor, and that's a poor choice of words.  However, there may be others than I who find this particular list offensive.  I stand by the point that Medals of Honor are earned, not imagined.  Mandsford 12:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC).
 * Delete A major publication asserting the notability of the fictional recipients of the Medal of Honor? Anyone? No? Didn't think so /sarcasm-off Sorry, but if it's not notable it shouldn't be noted on Wikipedia Tdmg 03:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only one that I can see where it is a major plot point is Courage Under Fire; AFAIK, just a minor detail in the rest. Clarityfiend 03:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Raymond Shaw's MOH was definitely a major plot point of The Manchurian Candidate, both novel and film. Otto4711 05:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal He gets the MOH. Now, how does that drive the plot? Have you been brainwashed to infiltrate and undermine our bourgeois Wikipedia...comrade?Clarityfiend 07:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * How does it drive the plot? Fabricating his and the squad's memories to support the MOH citation is a major plot driver. The status accorded a MOH winner is a major plot driver. Raymond's specific status as a MOH winner opens doors for him in both the novel and film. Otto4711 21:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Per WP:TRIVIA. This article is full of trivial information, which attempts to document everything that happens in a movie Corpx 07:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete as a list, and Categorizize as only fictional characters significant enough to have an article should count. 70.51.10.130 05:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 03:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 *  Keep  Neutral List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients and List of Italian American Medal of Honor recipients exist and survived AfD, so there's absolutely no point of arbitrarily deleting this one, given they're all equally non-notable in intersection. When those lists are deleted, this should go too. Bulldog123 23:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I dont agree with the existence of those lists either, they're real world subjects. Categorizing details like this in fiction seems extremely trivial Corpx 01:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. I'm just going to make it "neutral" then. Otherwise I might be making a point. Bulldog123 07:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.