Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional characters with ADHD

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The result of the debate was No Consensus. Redwolf24 (talk) 03:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

List of fictional characters with ADHD
Delete, I suppose this qualifies as original research, or at least is highly interpretive. I'll admit in advance to possible ignorance: maybe these characters have been fictionally diagnosed with ADHD, but I'm sceptical. -Splash 01:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - very similar to the 'list of famous people with ADHD' deleted recently - speculative, original research and silly. Petesmiles 01:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above without positive verification. &mdash; Lomn | Talk 01:28:27, 2005-08-20 (UTC)
 * Keep Fictional diagnoses are pretty common especially in situation comedies involving children. Some of the claims, although not currently sourced, are at least plausible.  I have added the character Justin Cobb, from the movie Thumbsucker, which is verifiable and sourced. If that doesn't convince, I'll add more until you holler "Uncle". --Tony Sidaway Talk  02:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete; Non encyclopedic | Celcius 02:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Although author needs to add reasoning for each entry in the list. Might better fit under article about ADHD, though. Until it becomes a longer list.
 * Delete Hamster Sandwich 02:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep any verifiable content. Pburka 03:31, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, though if the author chooses to come back and document the sources for all of these diagnoses, I will be way less likely to think this is a BS article. JDoorjam 05:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with Hamster Sandwich. SchmuckyTheCat 05:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the verifiable part(s). Kappa 06:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as Kappa. Soo 11:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Deleting all but the verifiable leaves this list one person long. Sdedeo 16:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep After removing two entries which I'm pretty sure don't qualify, I'm suspicious of the other characters listed. Wouldn't this be better if moved to "List of fictional characters diagnosed with ADHD"? Leaving it this vague seems like an invitation for extensive POV. As Tony Sidaway pointed out diagnoses are pretty common, but more importantly, they're verifiable. --TheMidnighters 15:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - How do we know these guys have ADHD, it's all going to be unverifiable POV guesswork - Hahnchen 15:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . There are very few (possibly zero?) fictional characters appearing in notable fiction that are explicitly diagnosed as ADHD. What will happen with a list like this, of course, is that armchair psychologists will diagnose fictional characters on their own. Sdedeo 15:58, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. OK, Tony has convinced me. BUT, I strongly strongly suggest that boilerplate be added in the article to explain that only "in world" diagnoses count (i.e., the character has to be identified within the book as ADHD. By a (in the book) authority.) Sdedeo 02:31, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Whil it may be useful article the name "List of ..." and its current format just invites jokers to insert any crap into it. Such result would be misleading. Article as "ADHD in fiction" with details on every character may be useful, current "list" not. Pavel Vozenilek 18:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment. Okay, I warned you.  I've added two children's books with main characters diagnosed (fictionally, of course! but within the book) with ADHD.  This could be a useful list for people interested in the portrayal of psychiatric illnesses and conditions in fiction. --Tony Sidaway Talk  18:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And another two. Two books for younger children intended to explain the disorder to them. --Tony Sidaway Talk 18:58, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added four more which are all documented on Wikipedia and externally. Pburka 20:48, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is similar to List of fictional characters on the autistic spectrum, which recently survived VfD when all speculative characters were removed. Informal diagnoses should be removed as speculation. ManoaChild 22:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep the verifiable parts. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 23:11, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research. Nandesuka 23:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Which part of the article do you consider original research? Every character in this list is identified as having ADHD by the respective authors or writers. Pburka 23:37, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Name an item on that article about which it can be said that the diagnosis of ADHD is original research, and I personally will removed it with great delight--better yet, remove it yourself!  And then change your vote to keep, if only because without breaking a sweat I've added nine indisputable characters who within the context of the fictional works were diagnosed as having ADHD.  Well some of them were ADHD-diagnosed Jumpy Elephants and whatnot, but that's in the nature of psychiatric literature for children. --Tony Sidaway Talk  23:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not original research unless inclusion requires some element of interpretation, and as such I'd support TheMidnighters' suggesgted name change. Flowerparty  talk 23:49, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't need that kind of propaganda on this encyclopedia.Sorry if this becomes a rant. Unsigned vote by Z.Spy (talk &bull; contribs) 2005-08-21 02:33:11 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Tony Sidaway. ~⌈Markaci⌋ 2005-08-21 T 05:33:56 Z
 * Delete as per nominator. --Agamemnon2 10:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep fictional mental illness. Klonimus 13:47, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Possibly change this into a category attached to fictional characters noteworthy enough to merit their own article. Caerwine 17:25, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but the page should include only the characters that are actually diagnosed. Superm401 | Talk 23:53, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment the list as it stands now is considerably different than the original list nominated, all but one of the items listed have been removed because they were unverified, and the remaining one has been verified. Many new, verified entries are listed, and there is a header explaining exactly what is being listed (in order to avoid POV and OR). --TheMidnighters 00:01, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, funny though. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 09:17, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep CanadianCaesar 04:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. There are many similar lists. See Category:Lists of fictional characters. -- Reinyday
 * Strong Keep... that list is really interesting. Voyager640 17:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, but change the title to "...diagnosed with ADHD." Penelope D 01:37, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
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