Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional music groups


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  06:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

List of fictional music groups

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Deprodded with "useful list". This list is in-universe, unsourced, indiscriminate and of dubious out-of-universe relevance. Far too many works have fictional music groups — is it really relevant that we need to know the name of the fictional group who sang "Squirrels in My Pants" on an episode of Phineas and Ferb? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Most are non-notable. The problem is that the ones that are notable seem to not be fictional. I think a list of notable fiction about music would be more useful than a list of fictional acts. Kitfoxxe (talk) 02:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep As with many lists of fictional things, the issue is not the validity of the article, but the writing style and inclusion criteria. Entries should feature prominently in notable fiction, such as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and the band in Cowboy Feng's Space Bar and Grille. Matchups 03:17, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete an article on the treatment of bands and the music industry in fiction would probably be great. This, though, is patently trivial and unlikely to ever be referenced with reliable sources. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Normally, a list of fictional X would be of use, but this is just an indiscriminate listing of every possible mention of a music group in fiction with no added information, and no sources. J I P  &#124; Talk 06:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * this sounds like an argument to keep and improve. Matchups 03:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Nom, like several other previous ones by this particular nominator, contains several dubious statements: "In universe" is pretty much inapplicable to a one-phrase summary of each band. "Unsourced" can easily be fixed by using the references at the target article, which the nominator has not done. "Indiscriminate" is patently false: this is a list of fictional bands, where the intersection is logical. Other arguments advanced are not relevant, such as the notability of individual elements. These arguments have been rejected time and time again, such as at Articles for deletion/List of fictional swords (3rd nomination), Articles for deletion/List of fictional television shows (4th nomination), and Articles for deletion/List of fictional computers. Jclemens (talk) 06:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, but cut down to contain only sourced, notable examples (i.e., only the blue links). I agree with the nominator that as it is this list is pretty trivial, but it would be useful if it was simply a means of navigation between existing articles (and we do have enough articles on fictional bands to make such a list). Robofish (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep If they are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles, have coverage of them somewhere, are reoccurring in a notable series, have sold a lot of merchandise with them on it, or whatever other things those working on the article decide to use as reasons to keep things listed, then they should be kept. Anything that people decide shouldn't be on there, can be removed.   D r e a m Focus  12:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jclemens' reasoning. I'd respectfully disagree with a requirement that every entry has to be the name of a separate article; for example, I'd also allow fictional bands that are significant elements of a notable work or would be possible search terms (e.g., the Alabama Porch Monkeys in Bamboozled, to grab one of the (alphabetically) first examples that catches my eye). But those parameters are more appropriately left to post-AfD editor discussion. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:49, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, largely per nom. Maybe making this a category instead of a full-blown page would make more sense if the navigational functions are to be fulfilled...but even there, this seems like something that is a bit too broad to not end up as an unwieldy mess.Tyrenon (talk) 21:41, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete too broad of a criteria for inclusion makes for indiscriminate and nonnotable lists. "Music groups in fiction" just may be a notable subject, but the last thing needed as an addendum to that is a list of every fictional music group in Wikipedia. A general discussion of the subject is welcome; a list of every thing we have on it is not. WP:LISTCRUFT  Them From  Space  17:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep  This, like the other articles of this sort, are appropriate encyclopedic  content.  If the items in it  figure significantly in notable works, it's properly inclusive, not at all excessive. They don't have to be the name of a separate article: access to content within articles is also important, and these lists provide such access. What they do have to be is significant in thework, not just something in the background. What has to be notable  is the work itself, of course.  Lists in general are good navigational content, and we should not remove them if they might be helpful.  DGG ( talk ) 04:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Jclemens.  I would suggest that the list be limited to notable entries, consistent with how we handle similar lists, but that is a cleanup issue, and AfD is not for cleanup.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Themfromspace, but allow discussion if this should be turned into a category. Listing all the thousands of thousands fictional music groups would be indiscriminate, and they have nothing to do with each other. The few actually notable music groups can be linked much better with categories than this list. – sgeureka t•c 09:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This article (list) does not meet any of the three purposes for a list. --Tgeairn (talk) 02:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.