Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional music groups (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A very thorough discussion here with diverse ideation, but, after a full two relistings, no consensus for a particular action has emerged. North America1000 09:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

List of fictional music groups
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Long list of bands with no indication of notability and nearly unsourced (just 4 items are sourced) The Banner talk 17:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. GSS  (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. I was expecting to be going with delete on this one, as hardly any of the bands listed are actually notable and very many are not even a significant part of the work that they appear in, although those that started out as fictional and became real are interesting (but not necessarily notable as a list topic). But then I Googled 'fictional bands' and there seems to be loads of coverage out there, e.g. Paste, Virgin, BBC, Uncut, NME, Village Voice, MTV, etc. This coverage suggests to me that the topic of fictional bands (maybe separated by media) has notability, but I'm not convinced that having a list where (assuming we cut this down to those that could be sourced) the inclusion criteria is simply verifiability, is justified. Maybe parts of it could be repurposed. E.g. a List of films featuring fictional music groups could be worthwhile, where the group being a significant part of the film can be sourced (and most of the sources above could be used to source such a list). Maybe do a similar list for books, TV series. Probably not TV commercials, individual episodes of TV series, etc. though. --Michig (talk) 18:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep just like last time: This list covers notable entries, and the fact that some are NN doesn't mean the article is worthy of deletion, just that someone might need to do some cleanup. Jclemens (talk) 22:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, note that the vast majority of entries are bluelinked, presumably mostly to the primary sources which cover them, which may also contain secondary sources. Saying that only four are sourced really means that only four have citations currently present in this list. Jclemens (talk) 22:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Only a few of the fictional bands are blue linked, most of them are not linked at all. The Banner talk 22:55, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:50, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WOW!!! What an impressive list!!! And a lot of work!!! However I don't think WP is the place for this.  Although the fictional works (books, movies, TV shows, etc.) are notable almost none of the fictional bands seem to be.  Also almost no citations.  Sorry to have to say this.  I hope if it's deleted it finds another home.  If there is an article Fictional music group it could then be linked from there.Borock (talk) 13:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:LISTPURP as navigational list of articles and as complement to Category:Fictional musical groups per WP:CLN. Clearly plenty of notable entries to merit a standalone list, and any issues beyond that are for cleanup, not deletion. postdlf (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - This seems mostly trivial. How do you even decide selection criteria? I imagine this list is probably less than a percent of all fictional bands ever created if you truly meant to scourer all of fiction for a comprehensive list. With this list, you probably have everything from major parts of major works to the most trivial, one sentence mention of the most trivial novel. Do you include only modern bands in modern settings or do you include folk bands in fantasy settings? I just don't see at all how this is more useful than a category that only contains articles and redirects relevant enough to even be mentioned in the first place.TTN (talk) 19:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Selection criteria would be the same as for a category, and the list can obviously be pruned to only those entries that have articles, as is typical for any list of X where not all Xs are notable. The category cannot include sources nor annotations as to the source work or performances of these fictional groups, and so the list clearly has potential above and beyond what a category can do. See also WP:CLN generally. postdlf (talk) 13:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, per WP:CLN. The "delete" opinions above just give reasons why this should be improved, not why it should be deleted. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:15, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It passes WP:LISTN – see NME, for example. The rest is then a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion.  It still needs work as, for example, Ricky Gervais' heavily promoted movie group, Foregone Conclusion, is not yet in the list.  Andrew D. (talk) 17:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - The topic seems notable, given the available sources which treat fictional bands as a group, but the list as it stands is almost entirely indiscriminate and/or WP:OR. I don't think it needs WP:TNT, though, and while a substantial purge is in order, it's the sort of issue that can be handled on the talk page without deletion. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 17:44, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as indiscriminate list per WP:CSC. There don't seem to be any notability standards being applied to what gets included here. For that matter, some of the "fictional musical groups" listed are not even groups, but are individual characters who performed as solo artists within their respective fictional stories. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are issues that can be fixed by editing, not reasons for deletion. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


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