Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional spacecraft size


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 06:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

List of fictional spacecraft size

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A seemingly completely arbitrary list of a couple random fictional spaceships. There is nothing to indicate why this comparison is notable enough to have its own article. We already have a List of fictional spacecraft as a general directory of fictional space ships, so this list of a few ships seems superfluous. In addition, the references that the information presented in this list came from is rather suspect as well, as two of them are not reliable sources, and one is just a streaming site for one of the shows. This was a contested PROD, so I brought it here. Rorshacma (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The article List of fictional spacecraft does not list dimensions or type of propulsion, and therefore the article is flawed. This article puts into perspective the dimensions of each vessel. If it would help the first article, I can see that adding a table to List of fictional spacecraft might better serve the reader (Regushee (talk) 19:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC))
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:39, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Fictional spacecraft sizes? The sizes don't show achievement or significance in anyway, since they are completely made up (by the authors). And this article is meant to be cross-franchise, so it's like comparing apples and oranges anyway. However, if one can nevertheless make a sensible point how these spacecraft sizes are encyclopedic, then this information can just as easily be listed in List of fictional spacecraft. – sgeureka t•c 06:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Seriously, specifications of fictional spacecraft? Are there even reliable sources about the topic? If not, then this would be fancruft and indiscriminate information at the highest level. I wonder if Trekkies even care about the dimensions of the Starship Enterprise. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we just put this or something like it as an EL in the list of fictional spacecraft article? Jclemens (talk) 07:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete the page, merge information to the larger list of fictional spacecraft. I can actually see the point of such a comparison (and think of some that should be added) but that would be entirely OR and SYN and Opinion. This is not even fancruft, just data points. htom (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As some editors are beginning to discover, the idea of this chart is to put into perspective just how large each spacecraft actually is based on the dimensions given by the creators of the story. For instance, until I added the dimensions given for a Star Wars Star Destroyer and The Battlestar Galactica, I didn't know that the Galactica was only 1000 FT shorter than the Star Destroyer, and that the USS Enterprise-E is just over 1,000FT long, which is roughly the same size as the largest ship ever built, the Seawise Giant. The list is an invitation to anyone who wants to compare the length of their spaceship of interest, whatever storyline they are a fan of. (Regushee (talk) 21:32, 6 June 2012 (UTC))
 * Move to List of imaginary spacecraft size, blank the page, and add "Use your imagination. If you require an authorization, Ray Bradbury says so.", per WP:HUMOUR. Anarchangel (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be pointed out that all of these spacecraft could be contained in one small storage bay of one of The Culture's General System Vehicles, with ample room left over (GSVs, 50-200km in length (Ship_types_of_The_Culture.) htom (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * How large these spacecraft "actually" are? I think we're having a serious in-universe problem here, and the cross-media comparisons are completely meaningless because the precise measurements are going to be completely arbitrary. It is a meaningless statement to say that a Star Destroyer from Star Wars "is" 155 meters longer than a Battlestar from Battlestar Galactica. There's the size the prop models actually are that are used for filming, there's the relative size that the ships appear on screen within a series or movie, and then there's the overly-precise number that one or two writers give for the ship's measured length in fan guides, or maybe in a line of dialogue in the show, but whether the number was 155 higher or lower would have affected nothing else and so is arbitrary. The same thing happens with comic book characters: writers on The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, for example, would give precise numbers to things (or even plug in detailed backstory) that is never actually established in the comic narrative or that comics writers freely ignore depending on the needs of the story. Can Spider-Man lift a max of ten tons per the Handbook, or can he lift or not lift simply whatever looks cool on the page or adds more drama? So these numbers arguably mean little within a given fictional franchise; they mean nothing when compared between franchises. So delete as unencyclopedic subtrivia and WP:SYNTH. I'd "love" to see someone try this kind of comparison with something like the Smurfs or Transformers, btw, in which even the relative depicted scale of things and people varied wildly within a series. postdlf (talk) 15:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The section Capable of landing on planets is wrong. Why would they be able to fly around space but not land on planets?  Surely if they can fly around space they have invented heat shielding to survive a planet's atmosphere.   D r e a m Focus  01:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, a lot of ships are portrayed as just capable of space station docking. The size or shape of the ship may not permit a stable landing, its means of propulsion may not work in an atmosphere or wreak havoc on one, etc. Not uncommon at all in science fiction. postdlf (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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