Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional universes in games


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The result was delete. The article's subject is found to lack notability. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 19:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

List of fictional universes in games

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Seems to fail WP:LISTN as the set of items "fictional universes in games" does not, as a wide topic of interest, have reliable sources. The list will never be complete (or thorough!) without inclusion of every universe; even taking into account that we should probably only include notable universes, this list is also seems to violate WP:NOT in its trivial intersection of fictional universes in games. Izno (talk) 14:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Izno (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Izno (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge with List of fictional towns in video games to create List of fictional locations in video games. See the AfD for the list of towns for my justification/sources. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 17:41, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Izno. A list article of "universes" is not needed, it works better as a category. For instance, listed here are fictional worlds like Warcraft, the city Rapture (BioShock) and campaign settings like Hârn. A lot of these are redirects to the games they belong to, like Dragonstar, Shadow World and Gensokyo. This list is near-inexhaustive; besides the fact that fictional universes like Middle-earth and the Star Wars universe also appear in games, we could also wonder if games like Mass Effect (supposedly in "our" Galaxy) are "fictional". I've nominated Hero Universe for deletion as well. --Soetermans. T / C 15:05, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTDUP categories and lists aren't in competition, but more importantly nobody says it has to be exhaustible or that it has to be limited to "universes". There are an awful lot of sources about game universes, game cities, game locations, etc. as a general concept such that the list subject is, in general, notable. List-level inclusion criteria can prevent it from becoming a free-for-all where people add every arbitrary level of every Mario Brothers game. There are lots of notable game worlds which are notable as a universe/location beyond the game itself. That it doesn't make sense to cover them in a stand-alone article doesn't mean they're not notable (e.g. Liberty City outside of GTA: Liberty City -- it doesn't make sense to cover them separately, but there are tons of sources about the city Liberty City as it exists in the game. It would be easy to state as a requirement that anything included in list of fictional locations in video games must be accompanied by sources to demonstrate notability of the location. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 15:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (I'm just going to copy and paste my other comment) It would be inexhaustive. To give you an example: The Elder Scrolls are set on the planet Nirn (IGN, GamesRadar, PC Gamer). The games take place on the continent Tamriel (Engadget, Time), which consists of 9 provinces. Morrowind was set in Morrowind, (Rock, Paper, Shotgun, Eurogamer) Oblivion is set in Cyrodiil (Game Informer, Game Zone). It didn't took me long to look up these fictional locations, and I'm not even at the town, cities or encampments. And this is just one video game series. --Soetermans. T / C 15:30, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll just reply there and hope people follow the link. No sense in having parallel conversations. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 16:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, or merge with the other list, per Rhododendrites. James500 (talk) 23:26, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as discussed at WT:VG. As expected, another list with a vague scope collects a ton of cruft. If we had a defined set of "fictional universes" or even "fictional locations" in video games, there wouldn't be much of an issue, but right now there are so few independently notable that the ones that are are best tracked by a category. The proposed list here would collect every location that has ever been covered by a source, even if it isn't independently notable. Soetermans's second reply above nails the scope issues. czar  02:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:21, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete- per nom, per User:Czar, and per my arguments at Articles for deletion/List of fictional towns in video games. Reyk  YO!  08:42, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment- I'm going to point out WP:NOTDIR item 6, which I had not know about prior to nomination (even though I referenced WP:NOT). --Izno (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * As the other AfD closed as "delete", "merge" makes less sense than an outright "delete" for this AfD. czar  04:39, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, same as the other AfD.  Onel 5969  TT me</i> 13:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


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