Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fifth batch of declared historic buildings in Hangzhou


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 05:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

List of fifth batch of declared historic buildings in Hangzhou

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Smells of original research--no indication based on third-party coverage, or lack thereof, that this "fifth batch", nay the fourth, third, etc. should deserve their own pages. Little encyclopedic value, more like a vanity project for user:laohangzhou (no surprises given the name!) Kingoflettuce (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Kingoflettuce (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. This list is clearly part of a series of lists which have been broken up into smaller portions keep them manageable. The lists correspond to the "batches" in which the declarations were announced. Buildings and structures which have been declared to be historic by an authority should be presumed to be notable, and we should have lists of them in our encyclopedia. (There is room for nuance here&mdash;not all listed buildings are equally notable, but the nominator has made no such argument.) Pburka (talk) 16:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Your !vote reads like a knee-jerk inclusionist reaction that just takes for granted whatever is presented. So can anyone just come along and create a random "list of historic buildings in x" and it can never be deleted?! I'm simply inviting you to look at the list and check the sourcing out while you're at it. (Deadlink?! No third-party coverage?!!) It simply doesn't pass the smell-test at all... To reiterate, I'm quite sure this OR masquerading as encyclopedic material... & all the dude (terribly fishy account if you just take a quick look) had to do wuz slap the words "historic building" & y'all just look the other way... Kingoflettuce (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't we want an article about 19 Jinchaidai Alley? Why should we assume it's any less notable than 58 Joralemon Street? If you're claiming this article is a WP:HOAX you should have said so in the nomination, and should provide evidence to support that bold claim. Pburka (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * At least some of the listed buildings appear to have official, multilingual plaques installed with some didactic text and a catalog number, e.g. http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_726be0290100w0ls.html. If this is a hoax it's very sophisticated. With some legwork and language skills I expect everything on this list is verifiable. Pburka (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's probably a better way of grouping them, but lists of government-declared historic monuments are valid. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic is certainly notable. The problem with the article is that it is entirely sourced to a single website, which is currently down.  It therefore needs tagging for better references, but unless the nominator believes it’s a hoax or completely made up, I don’t see a basis for deletion. Mccapra (talk) 18:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm glad to see this list-article;  there has been no organized coverage of historic sites in China so far, that I am aware of, or at least not under wp:HSITES.  I just created a navigation template, Hangzhou declared historic buildings topnav, to link between the five related list-articles of historic buildings in Hangzhou, and I put it into the top of each of them.  These list-articles appear to be part of a newly organized project to cover historic sites in China, which in my opinion should be part of a new WikiProject for that, which could be technically under both the China wikiproject and wp:HSITES (the Historic sites wikiproject).  Like there is wp:NRHP in the United States.  wp:HSITES has lots of relevant resources, including a discussion page wt:HSITES. --Doncram (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, this, and the other "batch Hanzhou building" articles don't appear WP:TOOLONG, 1st batch is around 3,000 words, 2nd batch is around 1,600 words, 3rd batch is around 2,300 words, 4th batch is around 1,800 words, and 5th batch is around 1,500 words, total of 10,200 words, so they could probably all be merged into 2 articles of around 5,000 words each? Coolabahapple (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I have created 19 Jinchaidai Alley as an article, so now the list at least has one  link to an article, if that was anyone's concern. Additionally, as other editors have pointed out, the content itself is not unlike what is done for other cities, so Hangzhou should be no exception. Some formatting and editing could be done to improve the article, but it should certainly be kept. Khu'hamgaba Kitaptalk 22:34, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


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