Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films, shows, plays and operas with an ensemble cast


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The result was   delete. The consensus is that the criteria for this list is too vague, or inconsistently applied, with some specific examples given where a named film, etc, does not even meet the criteria given in the list article.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:51, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

List of films, shows, plays and operas with an ensemble cast

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One of those unsourced, limitless lists that fails WP:NOT. Also almost none of the films and television shows listed doesn't meet the criteria of an "ensemble cast", and I don't see how this list would ever abide to our policies in original research. Despite Listcruft being an essay, this list clearly meets most of the criteria. Delete Secret account 06:50, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * KEEP . ? I have added most of those films on the list i am trying to put all the films that have films with more then two big names in it. An Ensemble film is where are several stars in the films its not about how long there on screens its about who is in the film and if they are credited as part of the cast. Batman Begins as an ensemble cast Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes, Gary Oldman, Cillian Murphy, Tom Wilkinson, three of the actors in the films have Academy awards so how is this film not classed as an Ensemble film ? 13:39, 24 June 2012 (UT  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.109.106 (talk)
 * Because some of those actors had significantly larger roles in the film than others, which would be inconsistent with the definition of Ensemble cast. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Undecided . It's relatively easy to pick out TV shows with ensemble casts: Taxi, Friends, Soap, Hill Street Blues. Not so facile with films, but I suppose they could be referenced. (I don't agree with most of those currently listed: Batman Begins, Bruce Almighty, Robocop???) What troubles me is the hazy definition of "ensemble". How many of the main cast have to get comparable screen/air/stage time? Four, five, more? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep for the television shows, delete the rest. TV series are a different animal, not single performances/plots like the others, so there's ample opportunity to demonstrate the relative parity of cast members. I actually agree with most of the winners and nominees of the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series and Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series qualifying as true ensembles, and there are enough references to TV ensemble shows. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep/merge Both this and the parent article ensemble cast need work but AFD is not cleanup. If you look at the sources rather than reaching immediately for the delete button then you find that awards are often given to plays, films and TV shows for "best ensemble cast".  This might then be a simple way of restricting the list to notable examples - require them to have won an award for this. Warden (talk) 08:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's true that there are awards for best ensemble cast, but their definition of the emsemble cast is extremely vauge and the awards almost always usually given to best cast period, even if it's one or two featured players and a supporting cast. Using the award criteria isn't really valid as every film, television show, etc will qualify as an "emsemble cast". Of course AFD is not cleanup, but it's such a vauge term its clearly unsalvageable. Secret account 20:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Long list with a subjective criterion for inclusion and zero references. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete, per nom and Metropolitan90. Tonywalton Talk 23:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, subjective and vague criteria for inclusion. Cavarrone (talk) 13:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Open-ended criteria, not useful as a navigation tool (empirically evident by its status as an orphan page), unsourced. Note that even the given criteria are an issue, as they include works in production. If the list were not open-ended, following that criteria would result in multitude of listings that would fail WP:NLIST and others. --Tgeairn (talk) 21:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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