Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the worst (7th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Snowball keep. This article has already survived six other afds, I can't fathom it getting deleted. The rationales listed below for keeping are very legitimate. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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Please understand this is not a bad faith nomination. I am requesting deletion of this page since the very fact that a film is considered the worst by anoyone, amounts to personal opinion, and is entirely subjective,. What one person hates, another may enjoy immensely. This article should be removed since despite sources and references, this is essentially a totally subjective list which people may strongly agree or disagree about the content of. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  22:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  22:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep If it were the personal opinion of the author, the complaint might be valid. However, this is a well-sourced list of films that are prerennially included in publications and polls of critics.  Certainly, describing a film as "bad" is subjective, as is the case for a film that is described as "good" or "great".  There are no objective measures for films.  Mandsford (talk) 22:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Perhaps the point is not made sufficiently clear in the lead of the article, but the article is not about films you, I or the next person consider very very bad. It is about films that have been considered the worst by some reputable critic, or in some significant poll, and so on. In itself, saying, "Film XYZ is bad" is indeed highly subjective, but saying that such and such critic, or board of critics, or poll of moviegoers defined film XYZ the worst is an objective fact. More or less the same difference as saying "That girl is quite nice" or saying "That girl won Miss Whatever in 2005": the second fact might deserve a mention in WP, the first certainly does not. Goochelaar (talk) 22:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The fact that it's subjective to say "X film is the worst" does not mean the article should be deleted. Wikipedia is about Verifiability, and these films have been described as "the worst" in reliable sources. Although it does need some work (sourcing, worldwide view) but that can be fixed with some good old-fashioned editing! I've been keeping an eye on this page for a few months now, and it's been improved. It's strictly for films that have been called the worst, and entries that just say a movie is "bad" are removed. However, I do think that it should be tightened up more. I wouldn't mind if it was moved to Films considered the worst ever, so that only films that have been considered the worst ever should be included. This would be the flip side of the Films considered the greatest ever article. --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I understand the nom's reasoning, but I agree with the above statements.  It is not a list of films that are the worst ever, as we could not objectively compile such a list; rather, it is a list of films that are considered the worst ever by certain authorities.  The title may mislead on the "authorities" part, which is elaborated in the lead.  (As an aside, I find this list so useful in finding amusing movies and reviews that I'll save a copy locally for my own use if it looks like consensus is leaning toward deletion.)   Anturiaethwr  Talk  23:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per everyone but the nominator. These are the sourced opnions of critics.  Edward321 (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Clumsy title, but this is simply not a "totally subjective list" as the nomination claims. Townlake (talk) 23:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Surely <! Don't call me Shirley --> there's room for improvment, but there are a lot of good sources and such, as well as it being well kept and in order. I see no reason for it to be deleted. QuidProQuo23 23:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. A list that is a non-neutral as something can get... How about a name change to "List of films considered the worst by some but not all", and include those opposing points of view? For everytime someone says "brrrrrrr.... it's cold", someone else may say. "No, it's only a bit brisk".  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone but the nominator. --FlyingPenguins (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per everyone plus I think this is a WP:SNOW--Mike Cline (talk) 00:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't doubt the good faith intentions of the nom, and also agree with Goochelaar that the objective criteria might not be clear. As such, perhaps we could consider renaming the article to something that might convey that purpose better?  Perhaps List of films critically considered the worst ever (just a random sugestion)... JuJube (talk) 00:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


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