Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films considered the worst (9th nomination)


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The result was keep. (Nomination withdrawn) (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:36, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

List of films considered the worst
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Unencyclopedic list. Fails WP:LSC. No discernible uniform criteria. Evaluation appears entirely subjective. Subject is insanely broad. See also this related AfD. (Note: It's been six years since the last AfD.) Ad Orientem (talk) 21:35, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn I don't agree, but consensus here is pretty clear. No point in dragging this out. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:47, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:48, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Ninth? Really? I guess I need to read the other 8 (but not right now). In the meantime I'll say that I'd like to find a way to keep this but obviously I also hate indiscriminate lists. Is there a way we can get clear inclusion criteria on it? e.g. Two different rock solid RS references calling it one of the "worst of all time", "worst of the decade" or "worst of its genre" (for common genres only) or three different rock solid RS references calling it the "worst of the year". They would need to be serious criticism by serious critics, not just jokey side comments. I'm not saying those exact rules are what we want, just that maybe we could agree something with that degree of specificity and hold the line on it? Anyway, I'll give my proper !vote later, once I have read the old AfDs. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the ninth attempt to delete this article, but the last AfD was in 2011 and consensus can change over time. However, I believe that the arguments from previous AfDs still stand. The topic of worst movies ever made is clearly notable and passes WP:GNG. It has been the subject of dozens of books, hundreds of polls and thousands of news articles. This doesn't fail WP:LSC and isn't WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Criteria (that a film must be called the worst ever by multiple WP:RS) is much clearer today than it was during the previous AfDs, as a matter of fact there's a thread on the talk page right now that argues that it's too strict. There's even a list of films removed from the article.LM2000 (talk) 23:09, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with the comment above - if there's a way we can save this list, I think it's worth it. In-depth, well-sourced material that doesn't look like WP:OR (at least on its face). Certainly doesn't seem like WP:LISTCRUFT either. Comatmebro  (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename to List of films notable for negative reception, per my comments on the talk page. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, for as long as the entries are universally agreed upon by notable critics, scholars and the like to be the worst ever made, rather than just a mere list of things added out of blind contempt by random Wikipedia editors. Blake Gripling (talk) 02:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - it doesn't fail WP:LSC, subjective lists are okay with reliable sourcing. Cjhard (talk) 02:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Sheesh...WP:NOTAGAIN. Even in not looking at the previous 8 failed deletion attempts, this meets inclusion standards for WP:SALAT.  I'm feeling that chill.   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 03:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly a notable topic and sourced to the hilt. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 07:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep That a film is considered "worst" by critics and the press, makes it de facto notable. One of my favorite films Ed Wood (film), directed by Tim Burton, which became a box office bomb and won two Academy Awards, was about a film considered "Worst Film Ever". I see that the items of the list have been carefully selected to be exactly what the title indicates, and properly sourced, so it is not an indiscriminate list. Also, do not rename as per Power~enwiki. The title is in line with the List of films considered the best. Hoverfish Talk 16:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Come on, 8 failed nominations and an active discussion on the talk page preferring "inclusion criteria setup" over deletion wasn't enough to deter this nomination? There's a precedent for these sorts of articles to exist. Efforts should go towards cleanup instead. Sergecross73   msg me  18:33, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


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