Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films set in an unnamed city (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 14:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

List of films set in an unnamed city
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Trivial association (or really, a lack of one.) —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. A deliberately anonymous setting for artistic reasons seems to be a reasonable list criterion. However, this seriously cries out for references. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment To meet WP:L and hence keep, we'd require evidence that being set in an unknown city creates a distinctive class of films that are considered as forming a group by film writers, academics, etc. --Colapeninsula (talk) 22:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment And that seems impossible, because there can be opposite reasons for it: because the city is meant to be recognized as a real one (while maintaining a sort of deniability), or because the city is meant to be generic. —Tamfang (talk) 19:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete because I cannot seem to find any references discussing this topic on a high level. I understand the gist of the topic, but without supporting references, this to me is a list based on a neologism. In particular, this passage stands out, "Neologisms that are in wide use but for which there are no treatments in secondary sources are not yet ready for use and coverage in Wikipedia. The term does not need to be in Wikipedia in order to be a 'true' term, and when secondary sources become available, it will be appropriate to create an article on the topic, or use the term within other articles." I can see how there is value in applying anonymity to fictional works in different regards -- places, people, things, etc. We need to verify such a topic with secondary sources, and I'm not able to find anything for this. As a result, I also have to cite WP:NOTDIR in how these items are only loosely associated without any overarching verifiable coverage. The loose association is also reflected in the intentionality being in-universe or out-of-universe. I'm happy to reconsider if we can find useful references. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this would work better as a category. --BDD (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Like Erik said, there do not seem to be any sources that discuss this concept on any substantial level that would show that this list is actually a notable collection, and not just random trivia. Additionally, there are no sources for any of the information contained within the list for each entry, which makes me suspect that there was quite a bit of Original Research going on.  Rorshacma (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete it's hard to verify the absence of something. Would we take a list of every film ever made, then subtract out all the movies that take place in named cities (New York, L.A. etc.), and then paste the result here? This list is far too indiscriminate and subjective to ever create an encyclopedic list. And even then, no one has proven that the topic of the list is notable as required under WP:LISTN, because there isn't substantial coverage on the use of unnamed cities in film. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
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