Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films which share their name with a title of a song


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The result was   delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 14:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

List of films which share their name with a title of a song

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Contested prod. This is an indiscriminate list which would, if complete, be very, very long, and with very little value. There is no clear link between the films listed: some are films by or about bands, where the song is by the same band. Other ones will be songs named after a movie (e.g. Breakfast at Tiffany's), movies named after songs (less frequent), movies and songs both named after a book, comic, event, ... (e.g. Wuthering Heights, Titanic, ), and movies and songs which share a title completely by accident (Scream, She, Iris, Beat it, ...). The inclusion criteria are thus way too broad, making the end result meaningless. It does not highlight a particular topic (which e.g. a list of films based on comics does), trend, or exceptional circumstance. Fram (talk) 09:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 *  Comment  : I guess at issue here is utility or "contrived" rather than indiscriminate. The ability to make these ad hoc lists with automated tools however is almost a holy grail for some search researchers, and even more interesting would be "films that are not also songs". You see selection bias or confirmation bias in science quite often and having various lists of counter-examples or alternatives could be helpful and in fact the mere act of producing some lists can generate perspective and insights for the author. Viewed as fact finding, and helping play " one of these things is not like the other" from Sesame Street, lists can be helpful and while requring "research" effort to compile don't normally constitute OR as defined here. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 11:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But then basically you have two lists, films which share their name with a song, and films that don't, totalling all films. Not really workable, and not very discriminate either. "Useful" is not an argument to keep anything, and I don't really see in what way it helps to know that there is a film and a song called Supernova, and the same goes for Fever, and the same goes for Firestarter, and for Endless love. How useful it is to have on one list the three movies and 20-odd songs all titled Alive? Fram (talk) 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I think the nom is really objecting to the over-inclusiveness of this list. If it were better organised, perhaps it could be saved? There is an interesting tradition of films taking their title, and sometimes their story, from songs: Sea of Love, Alexander's Ragtime Band, La Marseillaise, My Blue Heaven, The Butterfly Ball...Rhinoracer (talk) 12:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Such a list with largely different contents and obviously a different name may be acceptable, but then again, it has little or nothing to do with this AfD anymore. Fram (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and they didn't even spell Mamma Mia correctly. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The criteria for inclusion in this list are way too broad.  Wikipedia does not need to contain every possible organization of data.  Powers T 13:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fram sums it up pretty well. Although it's possible that someone might add some narrative to make this article sound intelligent, this is trivia that would be useful only during a long car trip.  No doubt there are some interesting stories behind these, but nothing that can't be mentioned in the article about the song or the film. Mandsford (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:IINFO, as interpreted in WP:SALAT. Deor (talk) 14:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - overly broad listcruft. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Trivial in nature. Jrcla2 15:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Question - why is this trivial? If you had to make a list, for whatever contrived reason, how would you do it? This is less trivial than making a list of insurance companies. Here, you need to make two lists and compare them. It may be silly but it isn't trivial. I'm grinding my "curated lists in the post tree killing era" axe again, since I can't cut down trees with it :) Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is trivial as there is no context, on the contrary a list of insurance companies would be a content fork from the article insurance companies. This list is poorly defined, for example the film Scream is unrelated to the song Scream, My Blue Heaven takes its title from the song but the plot is a sequel to Goodfellas (seriously its based on Henry Hill's life). What importance does the song play to the film? American Werewolf in London has many "moon" related songs (but not the Warren Zevon song Werewolves of London?) in it, there is no clearly defined criterion, therefore it is trivia. Darrenhusted (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I also agree with Mandsford &mdash; this kind of trivia is for a game, not Wikipedia. Yoninah (talk) 19:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trivial listcruft, whether it kills trees or not. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete under WP:IINFO. Interesting trivia, but not productive for wikipedia.--Junius49 (talk) 01:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
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