Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films with boats


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The result was   delete. Noting that the keep votes amount to either WP:OTHERSTUFF or offer no rebuttal to the compelling arguments offered by User:NinjaRobotPirate especially. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

List of films with boats

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Listcruft. Totally meaningless unsourced list of film titles and nothing else, with no encyclopaedic context and no explanation for why we would need such a list. What's next, List of films with cars? List of films with people? If there's a genuine need for the information the list can provide it would best by served by a category, not a list. Thomas.W talk 17:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not against reworking this article into a category. Isamuel (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete - Extremely general, trivial, non-encyclopedic list. WP:ISNOT applies. The list fails to contribute to the state of human knowledge. red dog six (talk) 17:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: Obvious listcruft. Lugia2453 (talk) 18:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Keep - As is illustrated by Category:Lists_of_films_by_common_content, there are many lists of films collected by common content. As Trivia_sections correctly points out, such lists "can be useful for developing a new article, as they represent an easy way for novice contributors to add information without having to keep in mind article organization or presentation: they can just add a new fact to the list." This has already begun to occur with this list—it has grown exponentially since its creation, growing nearly 1000% (with contributions from multiple users) in just its first day. As the aforelinked Manual of Style page points out, as this article grows, it can be better-organized, into "a logical grouping and ordering of facts that gives an integrated presentation, providing context and smooth transitions, whether in text, list, or table." I do not believe that any of the criteria for deletion apply. It contributes to the state of human knowledge by organizing and categorizing that information—already, it is more possible than it was yesterday for a person interested in both film and boats to find further articles of interest. The information is also all verifiable. Isamuel (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Sink per nom. Way, way, way too indiscriminate to be meaningful. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mind-bogglingly indiscriminate.  A list of films about boating would work.  But not a list of every film that has a boat in it.  Plus, it's missing Jaws. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:LISTN says "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". This is satisfied by Stuff Magazine's "25 Best Boat Movies Ever" article and Top 10 Sailing Films, an article from 'Classic Boat' magazine. Evidently, films with boats in them is something which has been "discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". —Tom Morris (talk) 09:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have created a few list articles about films featuring common content. The challenge here is that boats are fairly ubiquitous in films. This is reflected in the branching of related categories. It mostly starts with Category:Films set on ships (having less than a dozen films), with Category:Seafaring films under that category and itself having 15 sub-categories. If this list were a list of films set on boats, it could include all the films in these categories with a description of each one. But what about films that have relatively briefly boat scenes? Can we do some kind of secondary sourcing? I mean, do we include Saving Private Ryan just because it has the landing scene at the beginning? Another option here is to just have smaller lists very similar to each category, rather than one big list for everything. That way, we can cut out films that lack direct relevance. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 10:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Man the lifeboat!  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 11:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Exhibit A for the prosecution: You've Got Mail? Presumably there's a boat in there somewhere, even though the synopsis doesn't mention one. Where's Joe Versus the Volcano? Clarityfiend (talk) 12:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * And no The Boat That Rocked. It even has the word boat in the title! Aaaagggghhhh!! Seriously though, support Erik's idea of having a list for films set on a boat.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:09, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep and convert/move into a list of films where the action happens mainly in a boat/ship, example Titanic. Very interesting topic and may constitute a genre. emijrp (talk) 13:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I recommend subdividing the list into four sections: Sailing, Seafaring, River-boating and Boat warfare to strengthen the inclusion criteria since it is too indiscriminate as it stands. It is all very well to say we should restrict to films set mainly on a boat but where does that leave films like Jaws (film), Adrift (film) and Swallows and Amazons where the majority of the action occurs off the boat, but a large chunk of the plot still revolves around a boat? If you follow Tom's links above you will see the films are boat-themed, so it is the thematic prominence of the boat that is notable, not simply its presence. Betty Logan (talk) 22:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Far too indiscriminate and trivial  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 16:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete It is Listcruft LC and trivial. Frmorrison (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Is this for every film we have an article on that has a boat appearing. This is crazy, and needs to have added The Return of the King, An American Tale, Superman: The Movie, Man of Steel (2013 film), and I have not yet began to even think about this issue.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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