Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films with surprise ending/plot twist


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 02:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

List of films with surprise ending/plot twist
Inherently POV list (what constitutes a surprise ending anyway?)... uncited, unexplained collection of titles, original research, listcruft, kill it with a stick. — Mar. 20, '06 [12:47] 

Keep and rename I believe that this would be the wisest solution because 1) I wanted to rename it anyway, 2) I don't actually know what Citing is so if someone could do that for me it would be much obliged and 3) I don't think the /plot twist bit is valid. So I (the author) say rename it. FreemDeem 16:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, whoever this is (they were probably drunk when writing this) but a surprise ending is obviously an ending that the audience did not expect or predict. And i'm not even going to start on the "kill it with a stick" comment. FreemDeem 12:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost infinitely expandable. Vague and pointless. Osomec 13:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, pretty much every film has a plot twist these days. I'm sure I've seen this come up somewhere before.  At the least, it needs to be renamed.    MLA 13:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rename and Keep. The "/plot twist" might be the problem.  "Surprise ending" is quite clear and definite - it will not be "infinitely expandable".  If you want a reliable source, well IMDB lists 34 of them.  So it passes WP:LIST. --Perfecto 14:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Kcordina 13:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ¡Dustimagic!  ( T / C ) 13:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Every film with a surprise ending or plot twist? How could this be kept up-to-date, consise and research-friendly?  What constitutes a surprise, anyway?  Potential POV violation inherent in the nature of the article.   (aeropagitica)   17:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --kingboyk 17:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as listcruft per above. FreemDeem, see WP:CITE for an explanation on citing. And no one will heed your comment very much if you don't say to what you want the article to be renamed. Sandstein 17:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as unmaintainable, POV, list that is not WP:V... unless someone is willing to stand around outside movie theaters, take a poll to prove that greater than 50% of people seeing a particular movie were actually surprised by a so-called "plot twist" or "surprise ending", and then publish the results for peer review in a reputable 3rd party publication so we have a WP:V sourcing to back up the labeling of something as a "plot twist" or "surprise ending".  In that case I'd be willing to change my opinion. IMO, too many "plot twists" are painfully obvious from the time the opening credits stop rolling to anyone with rudimentary cognitive abilities to make this a designation that can be seen as NPOV (see also The Village). --Isotope23 18:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete; inherent POV and verification problems as to what constitutes a surprise (i.e., A Beautiful Mind, I believe I know to what the author is alluding, but I was hardly "surprised" by it.) I hardly consider the IMDb page listed above to be a reliable source, because a majority of that information (including the keywords) is also user submitted. -- Kinu t /c  19:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 05:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. That the IMDb list of surprise endings is very different from this one, missing many listed here, should only further indicate that this is too POV. Problems with movie predictability and quality would also spoil intended surprise endings, further complicating the matter. -- Jugalator 13:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --66.71.31.62 16:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.