Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of firsts in the United States


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 08:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

List of firsts in the United States

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Appears to be a wildly mismatched list of trivia of the sort one might find in a bathroom book or a very confused almanac. Non-encyclopedic. jengod (talk) 06:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Trivia. An unlikely search term and also a conglomeration of hard-to-define standards for what constitutes a notable "first." Shadowjams (talk) 06:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Surprising that this didn't get nominated last year when it first went up. Not that I really need a source to tell me that George Washington was the first President of the United States, but this has been pieced together from people asking "Guess what?" and then sharing their knowledge about something being the first.  I'm guessing that these are some favorite factoids from a book about the American Presidents.  As the old saying goes, "There's a first time for everything", so this one would just go on and on.  There's another yawner called "List of Firsts" that has the same problems.  Maybe these pages can be redirected to Famous First Facts by Joseph Nathan Kane, which is more comprehensive than any Wikipedia page could be.  Mandsford (talk) 12:58, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 16:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Trivia. No real standards for inclusion Hipocrite (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, OR, unsourced, and, in at least one case, wrong. Louis Brandeis was the first minority Supreme Court justice.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete This is a very arbitrary list of trivia. Loves  Macs  (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Bull dog123  19:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment If this is to go, then it, List of firsts in Sweden, and List of firsts in India should be merged back into List of firsts until it goes too. Of course actually doing it before it is required is a WP:POINT voilation for me because IMHO it is WRONG! Mark Hurd (talk) 07:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably they should. The problem is that a list of this type has no criteria for inclusion other than the instance be a "first". Some of these examples seem reasonable, like first female to hold political office, but the list itself is inherently plagued by criteria issues. Lists require different consideration than articles because lists can be any permutation of notable criteria possibly expanding the number of lists exponentially. Very specific lists let editors know what they're talking about, and if that's notable or not. The problem with very vague lists (it cannot get more vague) is that they are nearly impossible to asses, unless their criteria is narrowly tailored. In the cases the list is narrowly tailored, it makes sense for the name to be similarly narrow. This list is neither. Shadowjams (talk) 08:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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