Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of flying aces in India-Pakistan wars


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. --Core des at 05:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

List of flying aces in India-Pakistan wars
This was a reasonable candidate for deletion until now because it resulted purely from a cleanup of the Flying ace article and there was only one name on it. However, I have now added another name and references. If it seems like a short list, consider that there are only eight names in List of Vietnam War flying aces and one of them may be fictional! Also it could be the basis for a full and interesting article, i.e. Air combat in the Indo-Pakistani Wars, Military aviation in the Indo-Pakistani Wars, etc. Grant65 | Talk 16:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 16:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Not a needed list, and only one of the two has an article so far. Even if both did (which would be nice) it hardly justifies a list. If it's valuable, add it to the Indo-Pakistani Wars article. Emeraude 19:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Actually only one is claimed even by Pakistan as a flying ace. MM Alam and it's not 9, but 5 and the Indians say only 4. Syed Saad as per Pakistani official citation states he had destroyed 2 enemy planes. Many paki sources have gone through their kills and only MM Alam is officially claimed, therefore there is no need to maintain a separate list for just one air ace! Idleguy 04:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Neither of these men are even aces as per government records to begin with. Even private records, who have stated them as aces while trying to compile a global list due to local Pakistani enthusiasm have written :-


 * "This list has surfaced still more problems (of course! If it was easy, someone else would have done it!). Much of the dispute lies in the accuracy of claims and credits. WWI was a mish-mash and will require substantial work before the results are comparable to later works. " - Fighter Pilot 'Ace' List

even these private sources have admitted to being prone to mistakes and citing these sources while trying to push two pilots as "aces" is not in accordence with Reliable sources.

Of course, a citation from the government of India, government of Pakistan, the BBC or Doordarshan might be helpful, but reputable organisations do not endorse unverified claims. Freedom skies 12:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete:Sources cited do not necessarily support the claims made + not enough sources to establish notability of a "list". Only lists 2 alleged "aces" and separate article can always be created for them if notability can be established for each one separately.Hkelkar 16:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete - pakistan-cruftBakaman Bakatalk 01:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletions.  Bakaman Bakatalk  01:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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