Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of footballers with more goals than caps


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 19:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

List of footballers with more goals than caps

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Following on from a discussion at WT:FOOTY, this is possibly a case of WP:NOTSTATS; Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of statistics (even if they might be of interest to some football fans). Secondly, I'm not sure it meets WP:LISTN as I don't see any evidence that these particular players have been discussed as a group significantly in WP:RS. In fact, I can't see any evidence that anyone other than the article creator themselves has grouped this exact bunch of people together for this very reason. For example, I can't find any example of Gottfried Fuchs and Amaiur Sarriegi being discussed together by the same source so the link between all of these people is a fairly tenuous one as far as Wikipedia's definition of notability is concerned. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:01, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree, this is overkill are WP:OR. Govvy (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, not worthy of an article. GiantSnowman 18:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOSTATS and WP:OR. REDMAN 2019  ( talk ) 21:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not delete There are articles with lists of goals for players, list of players who have scored more than 500 goals, list lists of hat-tricks, lists of goals scored in each championship, and of the best batting average (baseball and cricket) or List of chess players by peak FIDE rating (by decade) wihout any source, but there is no such thing as a best scoring average. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Txikon (talk • contribs)
 * Recently many players are achieving very high figures of international matches played and goals scored with their respective teams, which are assuming absolute records, but not relative ones.It must be appreciated that international teams as prolific as Sweden (1073), Argentina (1048), England (1028) and Brazil (1018) for many years barely played 5 or 6 games per season (England 21 matches in the last 12 months). And many great players and huge scorers (such as Gerd Müller) are overshadowed by this circumstance. Txikon (talk • contribs)
 * Things like batting average in baseball or cricket are the most key statistics in those sports and there will be hundreds of sources discussing/comparing players' batting averages. I doubt there are any sources discussing/comparing footballers with more than one goal per cap.  But maybe I'm wrong and there are?  If there are, maybe this article could survive.  Are you aware of any such sources.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Question What should I take away or add to be an article worthy of approval? Txikon (talk • contribs)
 * - you are welcome to add further comments to the discussion but please do not !vote (type "not delete") more than once -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: there is one FIFA reference on List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals called 'More goals than caps', indicating that the topic has at least been discussed before. But I can't see the article - even the archive url bounces back to the current main page. I think there is a way to bypass the Javascript and block the redirect, instructions on Wikipedia are here, but I haven't really got sufficient knowledge to work out what should go where and in what order to make it work. But if someone does have the skills, might be useful - even if only to go on that existing article as this one looks like it's about to be exterminated. Crowsus (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * this link works. Intriguingly, it only lists 15 players, compared to the c. 200 in the article being discussed....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks but that doesn't work for me, still forces me back before it loads. Must be my settings. If you can be arsed could you paste me the text to my talk page? Feel free to ignore. Crowsus (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Should we also have a "List of footballers with more caps than goals"? While interesting, this is hardly noteworthy, reeks of WP:LISTCRUFT, and clearly goes against WP:NOTSTATS. — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MADEUP as well. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:TRIVIA. All of the examples given in the "not delete" comment refer to lists that are covered in reliable sources such as newspapers, whereas this isn't- it's just information pulled together from stats sites. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Until 1993, many reliable sources such as newspapers defended that the goal scored by Bryan Robson in England-France (WC 1982) was the fastest goal in World Cup history, and even today it continues to appear from time to time in the written press, as in it was actually that of Václav Mašek in 1962 (TCH 1-3 MEX) until 2002 Txikon (talk • contribs)
 * How's that relevant to this list? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Taking the newspapers as reliable sources when their sources are sometimes taken without contrast is not very serious. Here are the sources from the federations that are available. Some, such as the Swedish Federation, there is only one listing (.txt) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Txikon (talk • contribs)
 * Delete as trivia.  Clog Wolf  Howl 12:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per OR and NOSTATS. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


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***Conclusion: It is always a pleasure to see that among the arguments in favor of eliminating the article was that it "occupied a lot of paper", or that it did not appear in the newspapers, or arguments so solid and of great objectivity: how to say that 'it is not relevant for me' or that it only relied on pages of statistics, more or less like the population data or the municipalities of a department, province or region, that relies on data from statistical institutes rarely all appear together in the same newspaper article. I suppose that articles such as Scotlan footballers that had played 2 or 3 caps (where more than 320 names appear) is so relevant that it deserves an article of its own. I also appreciate that you have been able to respond in the highest degree of to the question that I left it (What should I take away or add to be an article worthy of approval?)