Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of foreign leaders Joe Biden has met


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The result was   Speedy Delete - copyvio. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

List of foreign leaders Joe Biden has met

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Failed prod. How is a list of the foreign leaders that a person has met encyclopedic?  D C E dwards 1966  20:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per [Criteria #1: Patent nonsense, and #10: Only meant to attack another subject ([[Sarah Palin]]). The creator should also face sanctions.  Grsz  talk  20:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Backdoor attempt to score political points. Even if I stretch my imagination to the limit and AGF and assume that wasn't the intent, this list isn't encyclopedic. --barneca (talk) 20:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Barneca; this list is really just the same list in the Washington Post story linked as the lone reference. Cliff smith  talk  20:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Ignoring accusations against the primary author, if we let this stand we'll have to create List of foreign leaders XXX has met for every statesmen, head of government, deputy head for every nation of note. Then the candidates. WP:NOT, common sense, toss it.--Tznkai (talk) 20:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with multiple good delete reasons already stated above.--Cube lurker (talk) 21:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 21:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not clear Biden was conscious at the time.  Seriously, I agree with the reasons described above.Ferrylodge (talk) 21:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not encyclopedic. I must say that I think it is quite inappropriate to cast aspersions on the motives of the creator of the article and those making such comments should retract them. This user has been on Wikipedia little over a month and this is not a good example of how to treat new editors. Gamaliel (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Bahahahahahaha. -Gr0ff (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sneaky ;-) -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 21:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete (G12) — Copyvio. Information cut-and-pasted from the Washington Post article as explained above, which is a copyright of The Washington Post Company. MuZemike (talk) 22:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No notability, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, all reasons listed above. However, I do not believe that action should be taken against the editor (he's ~relatively new) other than possibly a warning. - Oh man just copy and pasted via MuZemike, definitely delete. Bsimmons666 (talk) 22:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: A copyvio. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 22:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I would prefer a bold admin (not me, I opined) come along and snow close this; if it's just speedied as a copyvio, it could easily be reformatted and show right back up here in a couple of days, and we'd be back where we started. Better to have a definitive decision that the article doesn't belong here, copyvio or no. --barneca (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into the Joe Biden article unless it's too long. Otherwise Keep. This discussion should not be snowball closed after only 2 hours. People need time to have their dinners.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I think that if this is shown to be a copyvio, it should be deleted. The information however, should be cleaned up and kept.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be more than adequate to say in the Biden article that he has met X foreign leaders of Y countries over the course of Z years (and that he has been on W taxpayer-funded congressional junkets overseas, has made U speeches in the course of his career totalling T minutes).Ferrylodge (talk) 23:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per NOT, among the other reasons cited above. B figura  (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Speedy Delete as copyright violation. Not notable, anyway. Edward321 (talk) 23:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there room for one more Delete? Everyone else said it best (and first). Though I am curious to know what Biden and Nursultan Nazarbayev talked about. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't think it's a copyvio, because facts can't be copyrighted and there's no obviously distinctive phrasing used here, but it's not encyclopedic.  The Biden bio article can include the number of leaders he's met (referencing the source) and discuss significant meetings in more detail. JamesMLane t c 00:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Facts can be copyrighted. If they couldn't be, then all non-fiction books could be copied without permission. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 00:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.